10/31/2004 10:49:00 PM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|Click here to view Eminem's Mosh video in QuickTime format.
Last week I posted the lyrics to Eminem’s politically controversial “Mosh” without any commentary. But this is a Christian blog (even though you wouldn’t know it from some of the comments on that post), so I think I’ll be operating within my role to briefly give my take on the song.
Why am I pondering this rant from a potty-mouthed lyrical genius? In part, because I believe that in the lyrics of “Mosh,” Eminem is crying out for a savior. Paradoxically, he just happens to believe that he can simultaneously need a savior, and be the very savior he needs.
Let me pause and say that by no means is this “The Christian Take.” It’s just one Christian’s take. One 20-something Christian who’s plugged into pop culture enough to know about this song and spend hours thinking about it.
I'll start by saying I think Eminem’s a great rapper. I haven’t listened to all of his stuff – heck, I probably haven’t heard half of it – but I’d estimate that I’ve heard maybe 20 of his songs, enough to get a strong sense of what kind of an artist he is. I believe Eminem is possibly the most creative lyricist in the mainstream history of the genre, possessing a broad vocabulary, a keen sense of current events and a willingness to explore his own mangled psyche through his craft. (Eminem also possesses a sharp tongue and a vulgarity and misogyny common to popular rappers, but that has been well documented.)
I speak of Eminem’s talent as someone who has some sense of rap’s history – I was listening to EPMD, Rakim, and the rest as I grew up in Brooklyn in the early 1980s, in the early days of radio battle raps and Saturday night master mixes.
Back to the song. As a rap, “Mosh” is better than average but not one of Eminem’s best. (Its rhythm and tone harken back to both Eminem’s “Lose Yourself” and Kanye West’s “Jesus Walks.”) As a statement of belief, “Mosh” shows how badly Em wants to put his faith in something, some higher power. In the song’s lyrics Eminem offers himself as that higher power, inviting people to believe in his power to lead us out of troubling times – most obviously the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism. What’s so special about Eminem that he deserves our faith? In the first verse he says,
I give sight to the blind, my insight through the mind. …
Which, intentionally or not, is reminiscent of Christ’s ability to heal the blind (Matthew 9:27-31;). Eminem obviously means that he awakens people intellectually, helping them to understand what they couldn’t before. But it’s still a loaded statement.
Em follows with more Messianic language, saying in the chorus,
Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness, as I provide just enough spark that we need to proceed. …
Eminem offers himself as a light in the darkness, another Christ-like image. (Jesus, you’ll recall, is the “light of the world,” of John 3:18-20, the “Way, the Truth and the Life” of John 14:5-7. But where does Eminem believe he gets his own power, this light? His next verse offers a hint:
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, come with me and I won't steer you wrong. Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog, till the light at the end of the tunnel.”
Eminem gets his power from popularity – from his fans. Fans give him strength and hope. He’s asking for faith and trust. Finally, Eminem’s line at the end –
If I get sniped tonight, you'll know why: ‘Cause I told you to fight!
– implies that he believes in this cause so much that he’s willing to say something that might get him killed.
Do I think Eminem is playing God in this song? No. But I do think he’s calling out for a God-like presence in the situation. And I think that as usual, Eminem is articulating what many in our generation are thinking: Who’s going to save us from this situation we’re in? Who’s going to give us something to believe in?
Do modern Christians have an answer for Eminem and his fans?|W|P|109929273817420429|W|P|Eminem Mosh video & one Christian's take on the lyrics to Mosh by Eminem: Is the rapper looking for a savior? And if so, where is he looking?|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com11/01/2004 08:56:00 AM|W|P| BenandJess|W|P|I started feeling a little sick to my stomach after reading a score of the comments posted to Friday's blog. Eminem is an incredibly talented, and very disturbed person, and he says some things that obviously get us thinking. That's great. But what's with everybody tearing each other apart? It seems like people are using their opinion of this rap to dig in their political heels. And whichever side people are taking, they are making the same mistake as Eminem - placing hope in a certain president or rapper, and then verbally assaulting others over it. I found that disturbing enough to put together my own little rhyme...
No reason and no rationale to arguments and quarrels. Truths bent and facts spun and where you end is where you begun. Emotions flaring, blaring, and staring others down, “Your vote will take this town to hell!” Angry at your bothers, who is right and who is wrong. Ever consider it might not matter how loud you yell?
Ever consider instead a government that’s dead? That doesn’t save or redeem or satisfy the need of people to be loved and at peace? Just another Rome that’ll fall and leave us all wondering why we thought it was eternal home. Definitely not enough to let a scuffle come between Christian sisters. So concerned with politics she just might miss her opportunity to share the real Savior not the President or Senator.
Vote your conscience, add your two cents, and leave the world to its fate. Don’t get irate at brothers so that others think you Christians are always angry. Don’t waste your breath with death. Speak love and charity. It doesn’t matter who is king, the angels will only sing when someone turns to Grace. So preach, pray, and live the way that shows others where the future lies. Don’t criticize a friend who has the same end in mind.12/02/2004 01:21:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I'm not a user of this website or a regular that looks at comments, but I think that the comments made so far are accurate. I stumbled on this site in an attempt to find pictures from Eminem's video, Mosh, for an art project i'm doing. I'm not one of those 'I worship Eminem' types of people. But just a normal fan who enjoy what he does. I don't always agree on everything he says but I do love the song Mosh and I respect what he's standing for.
Eminem is by far the most talented, popular, and amazing rappers of my generation. Even though I am only 19 I have been around rap music my whole life and was brought up not on it's basis, but on it's principal of words. Rap showed me that you can say anything you want to through music. So even though what you're saying isn't the best way to put it, it was put in a form that can be marvled at by others, no matter the criticsm. That is what Eminem is doing here. Speaking what he needs to and he knows it's going to be heard. He's just trying to be the voice for everybody who can't yell loud enough to be heard. Eminem has showed (more than once) on his newest album, "Encore", that he is searching for a higher power in his life and he just may have found it.
In the song "Never Enough", featuring good friend and fellow rapper 50 Cent, Eminem states,
"I'm thankful for the talent in which God gave me
And I'm thankful for the environment that He placed me
Believe it or not, I thank my mom for how she raised me". So Em not only shows his thankfulness in God for putting him where, even he admitted at times, even he didn't want to be. He again shows he wants to know the Lord in his song "Evil Deeds" (even though it doesn't sound like a very christian title). The chorus in the song states, "Father please forgive me for I know not what I do. I just never had the chance to ever meet You." Showing he didn't know what he was doing before, but is now seeing the light. I don't think Eminem is trying to play God or see himself as a higher power. I always thought in this song as him asking God, "Give me hope, give me strength and I won't steer You wrong." That's my opinion on it. He's talking to God and asking him, not his fans, for the power and the strength.
I am myself a rapper, and a secular one at that, but I belive in the Lord Jesus and He is the one I put first in everything I do. I have an extremely strong belief that He will show this man exactly what he needs to see before his life is over. It will happen one way or another. Any comments made about this one is welcome at my email Four60Four@yahoo.com and so I don't delete it, entitle the email, "Mosh Comment". I thank you for taking the time to read this if you read it. Everybody has a strong voice, and sometimes it's not loud enough. He's just trying to help us say what everybody else can't hear.1/14/2005 04:41:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|all these poeple who have wrong opinions and mean stuff to say about eminem are jeulous hes a trllionaire and your not so weep get over it hes here to stay and your here to complain eminem rip 4 life1/21/2005 05:44:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I used to think that there were two types of Eminem fans out there, until I read this blog.
There were people like 4:41 who listen and just don't think, and then there are people like me who listen and think that there is intellignet thought underneath all the cursing and misogyny(sp?).
Although I never thought of what you said during my multiple times of listening to the song, I do see what you are saying. It may not be intentional, but what Eminem wants for America right now is what all christians want for all the not-saved. There are definate parallels.
Culturally speaking, if you are trying to change the masses, you might get "sniped" or nailed to a cross for that matter because the authority doesn't like it.
I do not think that Eminem thinks of himself as a savior or any sort of real leader in the filed of salvation. I do think that he does he reaches a wide audience, and if he tells them to vote, then they might actually do so.
For the record. I am a woman, a Canadian, anti-bush, and a Christian.
Thank you4/03/2005 01:59:00 PM|W|P| Post American|W|P|If Jesus Christ came back George Bush would crucify him.
With the resistance in all of its forms.5/03/2005 11:59:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|In america we are gifted with the freedom of expression. when I came across this board I was not pleased. Your using this song as an example that eminim looking for a savior? Why not say that with his past works. This is only a screen used you to infect and/or brainwash your viewers to get there thoughts of his message and on to you. I thought this is america and the seperation between church and state? This past election bush got the christian vote when they shouldn't have a say in it anyway from abortion to same sex marriage. In all honestly who cares! Why don't people inculding you just live the life you want to and be happy with that, instead of making screens such as this to (what maybe...) get attention. what does america stands for? to be free and live the way you want to live. Am I wrong or right? I respect the song because its something that you don't see in the mainstream like system of a down's "boom". Can we let artist express them selfs the way they want instead of making some mumbo jumbo about a needing a savior? spare me please. For more talk about this feel free to chat with me at industchamber@aol.com7/27/2005 07:59:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Oh deary moi. The writer of this really needs to get a job.8/04/2005 03:18:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Well this is the first time i came across this website and after reading what everyone has to say i thought i might just add something.
Well on the Eminem topic yeah i think he might be looking for a saviour and to be honest thats real exciting. Why? well simply because with his talent and ability what an amazing ambassador he would be for the christian message. I agree with what someone commented early that God will reveal himself to Eminem before his time is over.
To brad...no one is putting down Eminiem and no one is brainwashing either. Dont you think that if everybody was just looking out for number one(i.e yourself) and living their own life that the world would be a very ugly place. Think about it if EVERYONE only thought about their own lives there would never be peace or love amoungst one another because what I want is not necessarily what you want and if none of us care about the other then where's that going to get us..well i know we'd probably endup harming eachother if not killing one another which is precisly what happens when people just look after their own needs adn own life, take Jesus for example if he only cared about himself and only lived his life for himself do you think you would still be here today with the oppertunity to have forgiveness, and thats free forgiveness not something you have to earn...i dont think so...
Also take what happened in america with 9/11(im in new zealand by the way). If everyone only cared about them self then surely more people would have died that die because honestly if you only living the life you want to live then surely that wont involve putting yourself in a situation where you may posibbly die for the sake of someone else who is living their own life and hey they would never do it for you cause they living their own life and besides its their fault for being in the building cause it was their choice in their life..you cant honestly tell me this sort of logic makes any rational sense.
There is the potential in all of us to care for and love one another and not be selfish(one wouldnt always think that though because we are only human and we do stumble and fall short) and this potential is possible because we have someone (GOD) who is far greater than all of us who cares about us.
Do you actually realise that you too are not actually selfish and not "living your own life", beacause if that were the case why would you take the time to write a comment (is it maybe because you dont want others to be "brainwashed") and why would it bother you what others say/believe becuase hey, you living your own life who cares about anyone else.
Love is the greatest gift we have been given and so it is the greatest gift you can give and the best way of doing that is by giving yourself. And so as christian we are here not dissing eminem but instead having hope in the fact that maybe his soul is crying out for Jesus and that if that is the case we can pray for him and have faith in God that his will be done. I hope this has not offended you in anyway that was not my intention, instead i hope you can be open minded and respect others for thier right to the thing which you hold so dearly, "freedom of expression"
Let us be a light unto the world as our father is a light unto our feet9/25/2005 09:53:00 PM|W|P| Mike, Amy, Feliesha and Caleb Engle|W|P|I clicked on this link looking to see if the rumors I heard were true...did Em come to know Jesus as his Lord and Savior? It looks as if he's still searching. A group of my friends get together weekly to pray for each other, our country and just about anything. We've been praying for Em for a while now. God is good and He hears our prayers. My thoughts about Em's music are irrelavant (I'm not a big rap fan), however I do care about Em. Perhaps we should not only try and analyze Em's lryics, but also pray for his salvation. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. James 5:16 Thanks for putting together this blog.10/22/2004 09:13:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|I'm going to do something a little different here, because the subject is so political and the artist is so irreligious, and influential. I’m going to post my the lyrics (below) to the latest Eminem song, called “Mosh” (as best I could figure them out). It might be on an album due out 11/16 (two weeks after election day), but has already been released into the Internet wilds.
"Mosh" is a political rant. In it, Eminem appears angry about the war and the direction in which President Bush is leading the country -- at one point he raps,
"Maybe this is God just saying we're responsible for this monster."
For the most part, Eminem doesn’t employ humor – he just unleashes a verbal assault. (UPDATE: Click here for a link to the "Mosh" video, and a Gen-X Christian's take on Christian themes in "Mosh.")
I’m posting this as news, because of the top-selling artist’s influence. Because the rap is so conversational and its meter so broken, I’ve written out the lyrics in paragraphs instead of stanzas. I think it might be easier to understand that way. Feel free to comment at the end. (Dozens of others already have.)
Song: Mosh
Artist: Eminem
[Children speaking]
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible_
[Eminem shouting]
People, this is it. It feels so good to be back ….
Scrutinize every word. Memorize every line. I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind. I give sight to the blind, my insight through the mind. I exercise my right to express when I feel it's time.
It's just all in your mind, what you interpret it as; I say to fight, you take it as “I’m’a whip someone's ass.” If you don't understand, don't even bother to ask a father who has grown up with a fatherless past, who has blown up now to a rap phenomenon that has – or at least shows – no difficulty multitasking and juggling both; perhaps mastered his craft, slash-entrepreneur who has helped launch a few more rap acts, who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half of his career. Typical manure. Moving past that. Mister kiss-his-ass-crack, he's a class act; rubber band man, yeah, he just snaps back.
Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness, as I provide just enough spark that we need to proceed. Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, come with me and I won't steer you wrong. Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog, till the light at the end of the tunnel. We gon’ fight, we gon’ charge, we gon’ stomp, we gon’ march through the swamp; we gon’ mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors. Come on!
To the people up top, on the side and the middle: Come together, let's all bond and swamp just a little. Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back; all you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black. Don't matter what color, all that matters is we’re gathered together to celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather. If it rains let it rain – yeah, the wetter the better! They ain’t gon’ stop us – they can't – we’re stronger now, more then ever.
They tell us “No,” we say “Yeah;” they tell us “Stop,” we say “Go.” Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell – we gon’ let ‘em know. Stomp, push, shove, mush – f—k Bush. Until they bring our troops home!
Come on just . . .
Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness, as I provide just enough spark that we need to proceed. Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, come with me and I won't steer you wrong. Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog, till the light at the end of the tunnel. We gon’ fight, we gon’ charge, we gon’ stomp, we gon’ march through the swamp; we gon’ mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors. Come on!
Imagine it pouring, it's raining down on us, mosh pits outside the Oval Office. Someone's trying to tell us something. Maybe this is God just saying we're responsible for this monster, this coward that we have empowered. This is Bin Laden – look at his head nodding. How could we allow something like this, without pumping our fists?
Now this is our final hour; let me be the voice and your strength, and your choice. Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise. Try to amplify, times it, and multiply it by sixteen million people, all equal at this high pitch.
Maybe we can reach al-Qaida through my speech. Let the president answer a higher anarchy. Strap him with AK-47. Let him go fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way. No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil. No more psychological warfare to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyal if we don't serve our own country; we're patronizing a hero. Look in his eyes, it's all lies. The stars and stripes? They've been swiped, washed out and wiped, and replaced with his own face. Mosh now or die.
If I get sniped tonight, you'll know why: ‘Cause I told you to fight!
Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness, as I provide just enough spark that we need to proceed. Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, come with me and I won't steer you wrong. Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog, till the light at the end of the tunnel. We gon’ fight, we gon’ charge, we gon’ stomp, we gon’ march through the swamp; we gon’ mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors. Come on!
[Eminem speaking angrily]
And as we proceed to mosh through this desert storm in these closing statements … If they should argue, let us beg to differ as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president, for the present … and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard … Mr. President? Mr. Senator?
[Child’s voice]
Can you guys hear us?
[Children’s laughter]|W|P|109846274856776248|W|P|Eminem's lyrics to "Mosh," a new rap, are intensely political: He's anti-Bush and anti-war, though not pro-Kerry, and compares Bush to bin Laden|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/25/2004 10:33:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|My first reaction -- kudos Eminem; nicely said.
Glad to see Eminem expressing himself, he's a sharp guy.
Now let's see if he gets any credit.
PS - I hope to see Eminem visit Jon Stewart over at the Daily Show10/26/2004 12:08:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|i suggest watching the video, which is really powerful. links are here: http://dailykos.com/story/2004/10/25/195643/30
-renita10/26/2004 05:02:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|buck fush10/26/2004 05:15:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I think Eminem is way out of line with this song. I really LOVE Emienem and i was torn to see what hatful words he had to say to Bush. I think Pres. Bush is doing the best job he can and i think its a darn good job. I dont think anyone else could do a better job than what he is doing now. I was really apauled when i heard this song b/c im torn if i should like bush still or go with eminem...sry eminem i dont hate u for voiceing yr opion but i think bush is an awesome Pres.
Amanda10/26/2004 11:02:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|This just goes to show that Eminem is, and always will be, unintelligent white trash. He talks about not fighting Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, when that is exactly what the president did.. go after the terrorist groups. If he thinks Kerry is right for wanting to sit at home and wait for another attack, then he should get sniped. Also, don't take it out on Bush that his father is proud of him. Not everyone can grow up to be a wigger who raps and make a fortune. Some people have to do it the real way. Sorry Eminem, you just lost a fan. Naturally, most fans will love this though as they are lower class anyways.10/27/2004 03:08:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i think that eminem did a great job! i mean the election this year there are no good canidates and its b/s. our country is goin to hell, more so than it already is! so good job to eminem! and screw the f'ing government!10/27/2004 08:58:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|This is what irks me about Bush supporters. Exactly what has he done by attacking Iraq? I really feel safer that our country is losing troops every day in a country that did not need to be disturbed in the first place...
Can anybody please explain to me why we are not focused on Afghanistan, where the terrorists were supposedly being harbored as their home base? Why we are still letting Mr. Laden send his silly little messages around the world? What happend to him?10/28/2004 12:07:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I think this song by Eminem is a very powerful one, and has great message for young voters like myself to get out there and let there voice be heard and become more politically aware of what's going on. It's been long over due for an artist as popular as Eminem to come out with a song like this. He is definitely one of the last people that I expected to come out and make a song like this he's usually dissing on his mom or something, but I'll give props where props are due he did a good job on this song. I hope now that people will see Bush for what he really is a corrupt, incompetent lying jerk that doesn't care about us. How anyone can support someone like that who time after time lies to us and sends us to war against Iraq a country that never attacked us or had anything to do with 9/11 or even have any weapons of mass destrution. Like Eminem said in his new song the only weapon of mass destrution is Bush and it's time to get rid of him before he causes anymore damage.10/28/2004 07:55:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Awesome. Not just the lyrics, but the fact that someone finally had the balls from the entertainment world to give their opinion. Please note the Republican comment below that talks about fans of Eminem being lower class. That's exactly how Republicans think people, in terms of money and class and racism...that's the Republican party...that's not my America.10/28/2004 01:13:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|bush is not doing a good job! can everyone just wake up and understand that bush is bringing Amarica down. U.S. has been going down ever since bush became a president. i dont know why anyone would like him. Kerry on the other hand is going to bring U.S. up. Kerry is a lot better then bush. If you think that bush is good then do more reaserch.i hate when people just say that bush is good when he isn't. he keeps on lying, minimum wage is really low, people loose jobs,we are in war and we dont even know the exact reason why and hr hasn't been focusing on the terrorist and he keeps on saying diffarent reasons why we are still in war, and soo on....Eminem did a great job with the song i love eminem and it is his opinion so dont judge him. everyone has the right to say there opinion. Eminem is a greatest artist ever and he diserves everything he has. dont say bad things about someone you dont know.10/28/2004 02:26:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best artist ever! and he is right about bush because bush is not doing a good job as a president america went down economicly a lot since he is a president. Emines is the best artist ever and dont judge him when he is just saying the truth. soem people need to open their eyes. if you like bush do more reaserch and listen to eminem's new song he is not telling lies he is telling the truth. eminem is the best.10/28/2004 02:43:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is so not trash !!!he is the best rap artist ever! i dont care if you like him or not you know that he is a great artist everyone knows that. also the president did not just go to war for terrorism no one knows the exact reasons for going into war he keeps on changing his reasons and he has not been focusing on the terrorists i know he has sometimes but not all the time. also kerry did not say that he was just gonna sit home he said that he would stay in the war but to get all the terrorist not for other reasons just to get the terrorists. bush is not doing a good job. i think kerry would do a good job.i love the new eminem song and also eminem did make money the hard way and he worked hard to get where he is right now and i repect that. eminem is the best.10/28/2004 04:35:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|wow......i really liked eminem before his latest two songs - just lose it, and now this...thing.....that isnt even music. he makes fun of michael jackson because he envies michael being black, and thinks it was dumb to waste a black body and make it white. eminem just wishes he was black. he envies bush for having a father, and a good father at that (eminem never had a dad). and by the way, THIS IS AN ALL VOLENTEER ARMY! everyone who is fighting and those that sadly have died WANTED TO BE THERE, SERVING THEIR COUNTRY! its amazing how much the press covers the few troops that want to go home, but barely talk about pat tillman, who gave up an NFL starting position at safety to go fight and serve his country. please pro-kerry/anti-bush fans.....look at the facts before you vote10/28/2004 04:42:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|and also.....im sure all of you who are praising eminem for this are typing from your parents basements because u were c and d students in school and were too lazy to find good jobs and move out (the defining characteristic of the democratic party).......not all republians look at people just becuase of their money, they look at how hard-working they are, and i think it is more than a coincidence that most of the hard working people of america do have money and vote republican, but not just because of their money, because of their intellegence.........also, some of you have this confused.....kerry is the one who flip flops and changes his mind, not bush.........vote kerry if you want to donate your life savings to the government through taxes, vote bush if you want a strong america10/28/2004 05:02:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Eminem is a brilliant rapper. he has very intelligent ways of expressing his thoughts and attitude toward certain things. we all express our opinions and that is his way of doing so. he by far is one of the most skilled artists out there and i would list him on the very top.10/28/2004 05:03:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I think that Eminems new song is crap!!! First he wines about having a bad child hood, no dad and a wack mom, now he knows people are gtting tired of listening to his family drama so he goes for something that will start a spark like the president! well i think Bush is doing an awesome job in government and i want to see all of you try and be president in a time like this and lets see what you do! being president means making the best descision you can and doing it for all!! I think we need to be in Iraq right now i really dont feel like walking down the street in seattle to my school and get bombed! Kerry just talks out of his ass and doesnt know what he is talking about!! Sorry eminem but this is an aweful song and i think until you have been faced with things like our president, you should shut your mouth! VOTE BUSH!!!10/28/2004 06:44:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|people open your eyes for once! eminem is just saying HIS opinion! you all know that america has been going down sice he was president and if you just dont want to believe taht fine vote bush and let us go down even more and i love this song eminem is just saying his opinion if you dont like it dont listen to it! vote for bush if you want low minimum wage, not hearing the truth, loosing jobs for over sees, bad health care, loosing health incurance, bigger debd in social security, not letting gey people getting married even tho its no ones beusness i know its weird when gey people get meried but its their beusness not bush's, no abortion for women then the women are gonna kill themselfs it could be that bad, and keep on going down in economics and sooo on...
vote for kerry if you want all of the things that i just named getting fixed or atleast getting better not worse, and war in iraq just for the reason we are supose to be in their and thats to find the terrorists, higher minimum wage, more jobs, better health care, more incurance, helping to pay of the debd in social security, and hearing the truth! kerry is the best !
and eminem did a good job with the song he is just saying his opinion.10/28/2004 06:58:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|vote bush if you want low minimum wage, getting lied to in your face, loosing jobs, bigger debd in social security, bad health care, loosing health incurance, being in war and not hearing the whole truth, not able to get abortians, and soo on
vote kerry if you want everything that i just said go up and he would try making it better, higher minimum wage, better health care, more jobs, more health incurance, hearing the truth and working on making america strong again!
make a wise decision open your eyes and help america vote kerry!!!10/28/2004 07:03:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i am the biggest eminem fan ever!!! he is the best rapper out there and he is just telling his opinion if you dont like it no one is making you listen to it!
eminem is the best and so is kerry .i love eminem !!! no one is better then him dont judge him for having a bad past and for being funny and being himself vote kerry he can make a diffarance10/28/2004 07:07:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I agree with eminem, this song is amazing. If you listen to the lyrics, he is not pro-Bush or Kerry (indirectly). He thinks they both are not great candidates. He does stress that Kerry is the lesser of two evils. As for the ignorant people who have made comments about democrats and white trash, how ignorant are you. I am neither a democrat nor a republican, and we must remember that you cannot make mass judgments about people. Have we not learned anything from our history, about stereotypes and racism. How can we as Americans expect to move forward, when we are still backwards. And speaking of white trash and uneducated have you not herd president bush speak. If you are going be stereotypical and assume things about people, then why not assume thoughts same things about President Bush. He cannot speak English (am I to assume he is unintelligent and white trash); however, he is amazingly manipulative and slants the truth. I know that this is hypocritical, however, I am entitled to my own opinion about ONE MAN(based on his actions), not a group of people. I personally am going to vote for Kerry, the reason is he is the lesser of two evils and I hope he will resolve the current international situation that Bush has created. And if you do not agree with my opinions on Bush, look at what he has done to our reputation in the world. We went from a fair and just place that guarded freedom and the minority (in the recent past), to a terrorist nation. We are terrorizing the world, by forcing “our” (BUSH’s) views on others, and by taking what BUSH wants OIL. VOTE KERRY!!!!!!!!!!! And for anyone who says I am uneducated, or any other people who are pro-Kerry, be careful what you say because I am a PHYSICIAN and many other people(who support Kerry) are as or more educated that I.10/28/2004 07:08:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem iiiiis thhheeee beeesttt i love this song! and i love eminem!10/28/2004 07:18:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|okk who ever said that eminem is white trash and that he didn't work the right way to get money and that bush did a good job is soooooo wrong! eminem is sooo not white trash!he is the best rapper ever and i dont care if he is white or not dont think about the color think about the talent! i am a big big fan of eminem! also eminem was not rich before and he worked really hard to get to where he is now! did bush i dont think so... bush did not do a good job what so ever he lied to us! and he made america go down...please evryone vote for kerry and make america what it used to be again
vote kerry on nov. 2nd !!10/28/2004 07:24:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i love this song and i love eminem! eminem is the best rapper ever.. Bush lied to us about the war and i dont know why people are not mad about this. he did not tell the whole truth about the war and now all of us have to pay for it. we are NOT a strong country under bush. i will never agree with a president who would lie to me. vote kerry and dont let bush brings us even more down and dont let him do more damage, dont be scared of a change..vote kerry10/29/2004 03:24:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|10/29/2004 06:32:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|God Bless Eminem. He may be crude, foul mouthed and reactionary but if we don't stop this blood shed now, we WILL be judged for it and our own will inevitably be shed. Iraq was not the home of terrorists and George Bush is responsible for the death of over 13,000 innocent Iraqi Men, Women and Children. That is NOT the act of a christian man.
God Bless Eminem for speaking the truth and having the courage.
scart10/29/2004 09:23:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|It frightens me upon reading other peoples comments. For the numerous Bush supporters out there do me a favor and tell me the difference between Afganistan and Iraq. Then I will go on to say that those who feel we've been safe with Bush...
safe from what? you have if anything been victimized by fear tatics to draw your attention from really disturbing issues such as Halburten and Iran's nuclear bomb building.
How can you trust a president and vice pesident who could not even tell you the ties between Al queda and Iraq?10/29/2004 09:23:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|It frightens me upon reading other peoples comments. For the numerous Bush supporters out there do me a favor and tell me the difference between Afganistan and Iraq. Then I will go on to say that those who feel we've been safe with Bush...
safe from what? you have if anything been victimized by fear tatics to draw your attention from really disturbing issues such as Halburten and Iran's nuclear bomb building.
How can you trust a president and vice pesident who could not even tell you the ties between Al queda and Iraq?10/29/2004 10:06:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|This is for the the person who made the comment THIS IS A VOLUNTEER ARMY!! AND TROOPS WANT TO BE PUT IN HARMS WAY FOR HIDDEN AGENDAS, Ok you didnt really say all of that but thats exactley how its coming out. Ok Im A Soldier from the finest Army Base in AMERICA 101st Airborne Division.(AIR ASSUALT!) Although I cant speak for all the troops but i am speaking for each and everyone one of the soldiers who spent time in Iraq and Afganistan and dont really know why. When i say really know why, i mean the REAL REASON troops are dying for. This video depicts a the views of those many soldiers who come back and just want to live a normal life but cant because of the onlslaught of repercussion and consequences of The Bush Administration's decisions. The last election I voted for Bush because i assumed he was intelligent and would make a Great Commander in Chief. He has proved one good thing about his ability to
command the troops. Out of a 101 responsiblities he absoulety knows how to create WAR. I volunteered to DEFEND my country. Fighting for oil or Iraqi freedom is not a real legitimate reason for DEFENDING America. On the other hand fighting in Afghanistan could be justified. OSMA BINLANDIN Should be our only concern,but yet he still roams. I tell you people who are listening we could have captured osma in the moutains of tora bora but were we told to stand down. If any republican out there can explain that Feel free.10/29/2004 12:31:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|this is for all the people that said bad things about eminem..yoo need to be quit and stob talking all this stuff about the greatest rapper ever!!!!!! what did he ever do to yoo!?! he is just saying the truth in this song he is not making things up! if thats a crime then what ever! he is just telling the truth about bush and bush never tells the truth! so go eminem i love yooo yoo are trully the best music artest ever and yoo always wiil be!10/29/2004 12:46:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|ok everyone who likes bush wake up! if you like bush then do more reaserch he did a poor job! and eminem did great on the song! i am a big fan of eminem! vote for bush if youh want more damage..vote for kerry if youh want to improve america and make it strong again.. vote kerry!
and eminem keep on rockin everyone loves youh youh are the best!10/29/2004 12:55:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|okey who ever said that bush worked the right way to get to where he is and eminem didnt is sooo wrong! eminem worked really hard and thats why he has money not like bush bush's parent were ritch so think before you talk..and he is soooooo NOT white trash!! he never was and he never will be! and this is just a song and i agree with it! and who ever said that bush is a great president is wrong bush is not even close to being a good pres!10/29/2004 01:03:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|EMINEM IS SO NOT WHITE TRASH!!!!!!!!ugh!!! and he is not uninteliggent because he knows more about bush then the poeple that like bush. whats wrong with youh people that dont like eminem and judge him who are you to judge someone!?! its just a song! and he didnt make anything up its all true! he is not white trash get that trough your head! he is the best singer ever and he is better then everyone! i love eminem! and please again->eminem is not white trash!!!10/29/2004 01:07:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Yesterday in class we discussed and watched a documentary on the notion of stupidity and how it intergrates in our politics. Such entities as Noam Chomskey and Micheal Moore were mentioned. The interesting concept about this docmentary is that the assumption that Bush really does not know anything was turned around to suggest that Bush thinks we are the ones who do not know anything and he is playing us like puppets. Freedom of speach allows Eminen to say what he did. i think that the free world is far from stupid but I also beleive that Bush has the ability to be charasmatic, most leaders do or they would never come into power. i do not scrutinise anyone whom stands by their leader because that is what we do....right?? But i hope that Eminems lyrics bring the voters a sense of direction when they make their vote10/29/2004 01:16:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|please think about everything that bush has done and how america is down since bush was a pres. just understand that bush did not do a good job. please dont be afraid of the change dont let bush waste anymore money help america become strong and vote keryy
..eminem is great10/29/2004 01:17:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Also i belive Pat Tillam was a good solider, but i dont give this man any higher standard than any other soldier that has died for this unjustifed war. You praise Spc Tillman for giving up a lucrative life in the nfl to be a soldier. Thats was definitley a horable thing to do. I just would like to mention and honor the other soldiers who lost their life for the same purpose.
What makes me upset most people only reconize greatness of a soldier after hes fallen. If you think giving up millions of dollars makes Tillman any better than the Private who lost his life because he wanted to defend his country after 911 any better then thats the wrong answer!10/29/2004 01:25:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Being lower class does not depict intelligence and anyone one whom would say such a thing is a product of their own criticism. Doing the best he can. HA! Bush is not doing the best be can for the country, more like for himself!10/29/2004 06:41:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|EMINEM is thE beSt!!! he iS suTcH a gOod rapPer aNd hE is better then everyone! i love eminem he will always be the best rap singer in the world! and vote samart think about all the things bush has done to bring us down help america and vote kerry!!!
eminem is not white trash!!
eminem is the best!!!
vote kerry!10/29/2004 08:37:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem did a great job and everyone that talked crap about him needs to shut up! i love em!
this is my future we are talking about this is our future. if we let this president do more demage then its gonna be even harder to fix it in the future and its gonna affact our futures. please think before you vote and dont be afraid of a change.10/29/2004 09:42:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Finally, a song that can stand tall next to Bob Dylan's "Masters of War" and represent the days of post 9-11. It takes a lot of talent to sum up into five minutes the collective passion the world and half of America feels against Bush, and it takes a lot of courage to say it 4 days before the most passion-inflamed election in the memory of any living American. I don't know if Kerry will be better, but he certainly can't be worse. I know Bush won't be better, and he could easily be worse as a lame-duck president. Hats off to Eminem and chads off to Kerry!10/29/2004 11:47:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|People have to wake up. I am a big Eminem fan, and at the same time I consider myself a Republican. Eminem's song really does not get to me, that is HIS OPINION. I listen to a lot of stuff that I particularly do not agree with, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it is a good song. And all of the Kerry supporters that think that the world is going to be a better place with Kerry as president are highly mistaken. If anything he will make things worse. He may not make things worse when he is in office. In fact it may look like everything is going well(I.E. Clinton) when in reality things are going to get ugly in the long run. I love how people blame everything that has happened on Bush. I think people really need to look into what happened during the Clinton years. If you are going to blame Bush for these problems in Iraq you have to blame Clinton too. Why? Because he let this terrorist thing escalate too far. He did not want to do anything about it, and now it had gotten so much harder than it should be to contain these terrorists. And look what happened at 9/11. Had Clinton done something about this we would not be sitting here talking about Iraq, and there would have not have been a 9/11. So with that in mind know that this is Eminem's OPINION, and everyone knows opinions are not facts.10/30/2004 04:40:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Unfortunately, it seems as though roughly 90% of the people posting here have completely lost focus of the specific point at hand - "I don't like eminem now because I'm a republican." "I love eminem now because I'm a democrat." No one's changing/deciding their vote based on your opinion on an eminem song!
Here's the deal: This song is not all that good. The rhymes are way more forced than most of eminem's other stuff, the music is muddied, and even in a harshly political song, he starts out with the typical stanza or two about how tough it is to be eminem but how great he is anyway. It doesn't fit with the rest of the song and, quite frankly, seems a little megalomaniacal, whether or not it was meant to be.
But to get to the heart of the matter, I'm a 21 year old college voter from a swing state. That means I’m getting bombarded from every possible direction about how I need to vote: Every time I turn on MTV, or any television programs with a college age demographic for that matter, there’s some big push to vote; there’s the same push on college campuses, although slightly less generic – they tend to want to tell you who to vote for more often than MTV; and, now, because I’m in a swing state, whenever I turn on network TV and it goes to a commercial, at least 1/3 of the ones I see are political campaign ads.
All that these types of “GO VOTE” campaigns do is make people feel bad or un-American when they don’t vote, so they persuade people who are extremely uninformed to go vote anyway, because P-Diddy told them if they didn’t they’d die, or Eminem’s cool, and he said to in a song. It’s all BS. If you’re young and you have strong feelings regarding the election, vote. If you don’t and you’re too lazy to become informed, then stay home! Don’t vote for someone just because Brittany Spears, or in this case, Eminem told you to.10/30/2004 10:27:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|i dont understand how can people be so stubid to vote for bush. just look at everything that happnaed america was strong before bush became a president and now its not.what makes you think he is gonna fix anything? everything has been going down since he is a president and he hasn't been talking about fixing a lot of things but kerry did talk about all the problems and his way of fixing it. bush would bring america even more down and kerry would try to fix it and bring it up!
open your eyes look at everything thats been happening vote smart vote kerry!10/30/2004 10:41:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best and he is just saying his opinion but also he is not making things up! everything taht he said in the song is true! everything that he sang about is whats happening in america right now! open your eyes people! how can you just ignore everything thats happened when bush was a president its not just the war its everything alse too. dont let bush ruin your future! vote kerry!and stop sayng bs about eminem! em is the best!10/30/2004 10:41:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best and he is just saying his opinion but also he is not making things up! everything taht he said in the song is true! everything that he sang about is whats happening in america right now! open your eyes people! how can you just ignore everything thats happened when bush was a president its not just the war its everything alse too. dont let bush ruin your future! vote kerry!and stop sayng bs about eminem! em is the best!10/30/2004 10:44:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|eminem did a great job with the song everything that he said is true. i dont undersatnd how people can not care about anything and vote for bush and just ruin my future and all the other young people's futures!10/30/2004 10:49:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|it doesn't matter if you are a democrat or a republican when you vote what matters is that you have to vote and make a change! bush did not do a good job dont let him do anymore damage vote for kerry! what matters is that you help america! what makes you think bush is gonna make things better he is just gonna make them worse! kerry is gonna try making things better he has been saying his plans and bush hasn't vote smart and it doesnt matter who you are!10/30/2004 05:15:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Sure Em's telling the truth in his video. But other probably wont see it and know the facts. Since channels like MTV, BET, and VH1 wont show shince its so anti-bush and most of the rednecks and white trash love Bush.10/30/2004 09:41:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Please, some of you need to think about what you're saying. One simple question: How did you arrive at this opinion? For the answer, look at what has influenced you to form such ideas: the media. As someone has mentioned: do the research. Throw judgments out the window until you have gathered all the evidence.10/30/2004 10:26:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I read here somewhere from a self described republican: (quote: ".....im sure all of you who are praising eminem for this are typing from your parents basements because u were c and d students in school and were too lazy to find good jobs and move out (the defining characteristic of the democratic party)......")
First, look at this hardworking republican's spelling; must have been making those A's in English right?.
Hmm, and I suppose that your presidential candidate Mr. Bush was a rather decent student making his A's in school too right? Or was he too busy getting drunk and snorting Cocaine, and being privileged... having the money to go to Yale?
WOW... but its not a surprise that you smart republican supporters are the SMART ONES, and that you think you are right, (arrogantly)... while instead, you are mislead... you bunch of hypocrits.. SO follow that crack-head in that whitehouse... and live you fake life.. because... look around you.
Who's supporting Bush? Mexican military families, ultra-right wing RELIGIOUS freaks, and "redneck white trash" (whom one republican ironically claims are MAJOR democrat supporters.. ) idiots, and hypocrits = BUSH and you dumb, blind republicans.
I'm proud of EMINEM, and I respect this man more, for voicing his opinion, and letting us informed people know we are not alone in seeing who Bush, and you church doomday isreal-freaks really are..10/30/2004 10:55:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|While I consider Eminem talented in performance, I find it bewildering that so many would allow themselves to be moved by the propaganda of a man whose lyrics are typically criticized as racist and crude and who just registered to vote this year. Whatever he has to say on politics will be difficult for me to digest simply because of his character and track record.
It is fine for people to have opinions, whether they are celebrities or not; it is fine for people to express their opinions, that is what this country is about. It is ridiculous for people to respect the opinions of celebrities as somehow more enlightening or empowering. It becomes a fad: Are you wearing the same shoes as Michael Jordan? Are you voting the same as Eminem?10/31/2004 12:47:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Im in the navy. And i dont feel that eminem has any reason to think what bush is doing is wrong! Im 20 yrs old and fighting for someone elses freedom is something i would do everyday of my life. My whole family is military and all about the rights of ppl and the rights given to us by war. Tho a big fan of Eminem i still feel he should think before speaking cos yes i do fight for that freedom but some ppl take it too extreme!10/31/2004 08:05:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|omg! people just think about this! we are fighting for someone alses fredom and we are spending billions of dollars on it! also we are spending a lot of money for oil! thats not fighing for freedom or safty! if you would just open your eyes you would see everything! a lot of americans die not just for freedom for another country but for oil too! we are supose to be in war to find weapons we didn't find them so we are supose to find the terrorists but we are also doing other things! why!?!10/31/2004 08:24:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|ok this is for the person that said this :"I think that Eminems new song is crap!!!" it is so not crap! this song is great he has a lot of talent!
->" First he wines about having a bad child hood, no dad and a wack mom, now he knows people are gtting tired of listening to his family drama so he goes for something that will start a spark like the president!"
uh i dont think so..i know that you had a good childhood well he didn't and he had to get his feelings out and he did it by singing and i dont see any problems with that! and he is not whining about the president he is trying to show everyone whats really happening in america right now! he is not trying to get atention he is trying to sho w poeple common sance.
-> "well i think Bush is doing an awesome job in government and i want to see all of you try and be president in a time like this and lets see what you do!"
bush did a good job in the very begging but later he didnt anymore! he did a horable job! how can you not see this!? just open your eyes!
-> "being president means making the best descision you can and doing it for all!! I think we need to be in Iraq right now i really dont feel like walking down the street in seattle to my school and get bombed! Kerry just talks out of his ass and doesnt know what he is talking about!!"
well bush didnt make best disicions and we do need to be in iraq but not for all the reasons bush is in iraq we need to find the terrorist and not do other things like oil. how can you feel safe when america isn't that strong anymore. kerry knows what he is talking about he would just find the terrosist thats what we need to feel safe!
->"Sorry eminem but this is an aweful song and i think until you have been faced with things like our president, you should shut your mouth! VOTE BUSH!!!"
dont ever tell the best artist ever to shut his mouth! you shut your mouth! and this song is really good look at the talent for once! he is saynig the true facts! and if you dont want to listen to the true facts then fine vote bush and make america even weaker and ruin my future! eminem is the best i love eminem! if you wanna feel safe and make america strong vote kerry!10/31/2004 08:29:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|how can people talk crap about eminem he is the best singer ever! i love eminem! he is not white trash! he never was and he never will be! i love this song and i agree with it because i know what happining in america and everything that he said is true! all the people that said bad things about the song are ignorant republicans who dont care about whats gonna happen while bush is a president! please poeple dont let bush do anymore damage vote kerry!
eminem is the best i love him and stop talking bad things about him! he is the best i am a very big fan of em! he is the best for now and for forever10/31/2004 08:35:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|i dont understand how can people still like bush after all the damage and its not just the war! if bush wins then when you loose your job for someone over sees and theres no money and he doesn't care and the medical care will be so expensive and he'll just say go back to collage even though you finished collage you wont have anything then you'll regret for voting for bush but it will be too late so dont make that mistake! look at all the problems what makes you think he will fix anything? if anything things will get worse so please dont let him do more damage10/31/2004 12:43:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|This is exactly what is wrong with America today! We have to wait for a popstar to tell us what the f#%@ to think and do. Not that I don't agree with him. In fact I am anti-war yet not pro-Kerry nor pro-Bush. People, you need to stop formulating your opinions based upon the opinions of those around you whether it be the people around you or the media. We are too quick to assume things about what is happening now and too quick to blame others. What we need to do is READ America, this is the only way to ever get a better understanding of the world around us. Most of America is ignorant and the rest of the world knows it. I have visited third world countries and witnessed how third world children not only know our history but the world's better than us. Probably due to the fact that they are too poor to concern themselves with trivial things such as mind numbing popstars. Whatever the case, they use the little that they have to free themselves from ignorance.
To lower and middle class America whether Republican or Democrat: You can hate Bush and vote for Kerry, then if he is elected hope that he would fight for you, however this is a capitalist country controlled by rich, white people that typically cater to their own needs. So tell me how much faith can you have in any of these people of such deceptive nature?????10/31/2004 01:25:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|If he's not supporting bush or kerry then why does he even try to tell ppl to vote... vote for who? I think ppl who listen to rap stars, singers, actors etc. about politics are stupid. What do they know anyway? they're all spoiled losers who only care for the money they make.. g-d forbid they have to serve in the army and not live in luxury. I think america is spoiled as a whole and this country will go upside down in the near future.10/31/2004 02:49:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|This is America, land of the free. Though, I don't express the same feelings as Eminem's toward the President, I'm not going to bash Eminem for expressing his opinion. After the election is over, we'll all have to live together in this world, hopefully by having such a tight-race election we'll all learn to value others' opinions and ideas. There is never a right answer. We are all different. We have different beliefs, grew up in different homes, and have different morals. I don't believe there are two people in the world who have the same thoughts, ideas and beliefs on every issue. That is what makes us human. Let's embrace our differences and become better people because of it. The best thing to do is :: VOTE.11/01/2004 08:00:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I'm a little confused as to why everyone is surprised by this track. It is not the first time Eminem has been political in his music. Square Dance, White America and even Business all contained political thoughts and expressions. So for those who have declared that they are no longer fans, clearly weren't really anyway. This man sings about everything that affects his life from his friends, to his ex-wife, mother and daughter. Surely you didn't expext him to remain quiet on an event where the stakes are so high?11/01/2004 08:35:00 AM|W|P| BenandJess|W|P|I started feeling a little sick to my stomach after reading a score of these comments. Eminem is an incredibly talented, and very disturbed person, and he says some things that obviously get us thinking. That's great. But what's with everybody tearing each other apart? I found that disturbing enough to put together my own little rhyme...
No reason and no rationale to arguments and quarrels. Truths bent and facts spun and where you end is where you begun. Emotions flaring, blaring, and staring others down, “Your vote will take this town to hell!” Angry at your bothers, who is right and who is wrong. Ever consider it might not matter how loud you yell?
Ever consider instead a government that’s dead? That doesn’t save or redeem or satisfy the need of people to be loved and at peace? Just another Rome that’ll fall and leave us all wondering why we thought it was eternal home. Definitely not enough to let a scuffle come between Christian sisters. So concerned with politics she just might miss her opportunity to share the real Savior not the President or Senator.
Vote your conscience, add your two cents, and leave the world to its fate. Don’t get irate at brothers so that others think you Christians are always angry. Don’t waste your breath with death. Speak love and charity. It doesn’t matter who is king, the angels will only sing when someone turns to Grace. So preach, pray, and live the way that shows others where the future lies. Don’t criticize a friend who has the same end in mind.11/01/2004 08:45:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Two Points:
1. In this video, and in this song, Eminem has a newfound concern for the US Military. I ask you Eminem, why do you need animation to show you giving a concert to troops in Baghdad? If you're so Pro-Military, why haven't you done a USO show?
2. I am a fan of Eminem's music. Unfortunately, I've lost respect for him with this song. Eminem has a knack for attacking whatever the 'hot issue' is at the time to draw attention to himself. In the past, its been Boy Bands, Britney, Christina, Columbine, Everlast, Insane Clown Posse, Fred Durst... and most recently Michael Jackson.
Now its George Bush. Why not use an election to sell more records?11/01/2004 10:09:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|11/01/2004 10:24:00 AM|W|P| Jon Fortt|W|P|Sorry guys, but this is a Christian blog -- so I won't allow extremely vulgar posts. I've had to delete one pro-Kerry post, and one pro-Bush post so far. I want people to express themselves (and I think I've been doing that), but please do it in a way that isn't laced with profanity. And thanks for reading.11/01/2004 12:06:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i was enormously offended by the individual who posted the comment about eminem's vengeance and rage towards bush being solely based on the fact that bush has a "great father". There are millions of people with amazing fathers, myself included, who are not jealous of bush senior and juniors relationship, and are merely enraged at the atrocious acts that our current president has endorsed. If you have no argument, dont offend a talented artist simply to state your biased and ignorant opinion. Not to mention the majority of soldiers in Iraq are poor citizens who see no other option than to serve the country and make money for furthering their education (something i highly suggest you look into, seeing as you cant spell for sh*t)-- i mean in no way to undermine the efforts of our soldiers because they did fulfill their duty, i simply mean to undermine the decisions of those in power who put them in compromising positions and made them feel like going to war was their best option. bush must go. our country, the world, mankind, cannot survive another 4 years.
In addition, if i hear one more person say that Bush is a man of God, I might puke. Because someone prays, it does not make them holy. Because someone goes to church it does not make them righteous or moral. Because some quotes the Bible, it does not make them superior. If one is truly concerned with religion, then they should know that God alone can determine who is truly religious. A religious person should see through the suit that the President dawns, and take him for his actions and decisions: his tax cuts that have done nothing but benefitted the rich, his overspending on an aimless war, his manipulation of facts, his and his cabinets involvement in internationally illegal affairs. If you are reading this, and you are undecided, please dont based on fear, please dont based on a desperate attempt to hold on to something that seems so strong. Just because Bush has not wavered, this does not make him strong. --- THe most dangerous person is a person in power who cannot admit that they are wrong. Please vote for not only the sake of you and yours, vote for your country, and by that i mean your sick, your poor, your needy, vote for the sake of mankind around the world. Your vote DOES make a difference. Please recognize how fortunate we are to live in a democratic soceity that allows us to vote, and allows us to express our opinions. Thank you Eminem for taking a stance against evil, while keeping alive the light of hope and inspiration for all of our futures.11/01/2004 12:34:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|this is to the persont that wrote this:
In this video, and in this song, Eminem has a newfound concern for the US Military. I ask you Eminem, why do you need animation to show you giving a concert to troops in Baghdad? If you're so Pro-Military, why haven't you done a USO show?
why do u care what kind of video this is anyway?
"I am a fan of Eminem's music. Unfortunately, I've lost respect for him with this song. Eminem has a knack for attacking whatever the 'hot issue' is at the time to draw attention to himself. In the past, its been Boy Bands, Britney, Christina, Columbine, Everlast, Insane Clown Posse, Fred Durst... and most recently Michael Jackson."
how can you even say you are a fan of eminem if you dont respect him for his opinion????? and he does not sing about people to get atention he sings about people to let people now how he feels about things and how he feel about some people that he doesn't get along with.
"Now its George Bush. Why not use an election to sell more records?"
why dont you just think about this he is singing about somethings that affect his life like bush. he made dicisions that affacted eminems life and everyones that lives in u.s.he is singing this song not to just sell records but to make people understand what bush is doing and look at other rappers songs they sing about other poeple too. i dont see why anyone should give eminem a hard time about the song! stop talking bad things about him!!!11/01/2004 12:43:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i am a big fan of eminem and everyone that said bad things in here about him are not true comments like he is white trash and by the way he not! and that he bush made money the right way and eminem didn't ugh no eminem worked really hard to have this money. and why would anyone say anything bad about this song and defend bush?!? this song only states the truth and the things that affacted america! so i dont see a reason why anyone would say bad things about eminem. the only bad comments in here about the song are like eminem is white trash and bush is the best. how is he the best????? just listen to the song if you dont know anything that bush did bad. ugh everyone stop saying bad comments about eminem! i love eminem and i love the song!11/01/2004 12:46:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|pleeeeaaaase think befor you vote dont let bush win again! he is gonna ruin our futures! please vote smart and help america and everyone alse! vote kerry! it doesn't matter if you are a democrat or e republican vote for the person that would do a batter job.
please help america be strong again11/01/2004 01:50:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Kerry is a God hateing, american hateing, pro baby murdering, one world government, lying and flip-floping liberal. I am sad about the Troops that are dying in Iraq, but compare that to the millions that have been ligally murdered in abortion clinics. We have always been a nation that helped other nations. Iraqi people were being murdered by the thousands. Sadam might not have been directly linked to Osama but he did kill and murder thousands and he was a terrorist. And it was proven that he did at one time have wmd's and had plans for new weopons when we found him. You go and tell the people there In Iraq that their newly gained freedom wasnt worth it. Females no longer are mens possesions over there. They have a freedom that htey have never had. I would have been wrong to let that nation go on like they were any longer. Oh and we did not stop hunting Osama. We are doing that actively. And for the people that keep on saying we had him trapped in the mountains and just gave up. Come on now, use your brain, if we realy had him trapped there we would have got him. There are records that show he left there almost as soon as america began the hunt. Kerry wants a one world governemnt. Thats why he is so big on the U.N The U.N is a group of cowards that lets people get slaughtered because they aren't man enough to do any thing. America is the best, strongest, and freeist country, and we have always helped those in need.11/01/2004 05:21:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|The only thing I have to tell the person who posted a comment above me is PICK UP A BOOK. Those statements posted above are exactly the comments i get from every American who actually thinks that we are nothing but a victim in this whole atrocity. I am sorry to tell you that if anything we are the bully. Not to defend Kerry or Bush because i dont care for any of them.
Those ignorant comments about women in Islam being being nothing but men's property simply show the kind of mentality we are dealing with in America. Not to blame you or anything because i once thought so too. What separates me though is that i question the lies or "twisted facts" we get from the media. So the first thing i did when i entered college was take a course in Islamic studies and through LEARNING about them NOT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS based on what people tell me i realized the truth. So i beg you all to LEARN about these cultures and dont treat them as a merely foreign thing.
DONT RELLY SOLELY ON THE MEDIA: It is very controlled by the government and facts are always "twisted".
WHY? b/c they need the public's approval to go to war so it is easier to make it seem like the Islamic nations need our "freedom".
DONT BE EASILY INFLUENCED BY POPSTARS: chances are you are smarter and more opinionated.11/01/2004 05:21:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|The only thing I have to tell the person who posted a comment above me is PICK UP A BOOK. Those statements posted above are exactly the comments i get from every American who actually thinks that we are nothing but a victim in this whole atrocity. I am sorry to tell you that if anything we are the bully. Not to defend Kerry or Bush because i dont care for any of them.
Those ignorant comments about women in Islam being being nothing but men's property simply show the kind of mentality we are dealing with in America. Not to blame you or anything because i once thought so too. What separates me though is that i question the lies or "twisted facts" we get from the media. So the first thing i did when i entered college was take a course in Islamic studies and through LEARNING about them NOT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS based on what people tell me i realized the truth. So i beg you all to LEARN about these cultures and dont treat them as a merely foreign thing.
DONT RELLY SOLELY ON THE MEDIA: It is very controlled by the government and facts are always "twisted".
WHY? b/c they need the public's approval to go to war so it is easier to make it seem like the Islamic nations need our "freedom".
DONT BE EASILY INFLUENCED BY POPSTARS: chances are you are smarter and more opinionated.11/01/2004 05:40:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"Oh and we did not stop hunting Osama. We are doing that actively. And for the people that keep on saying we had him trapped in the mountains and just gave up. Come on now, use your brain, if we realy had him trapped there we would have got him."
The person above who posted this, please use your brain. First of all, explain to me how the American government with all the intelligence they have, called the CIA, has repeatedly failed at catching a six-foot Arab on dialisis! Do you have any idea of how much medical attention this disease demands! I guess not bc if you did you would understand how easy it would be for the geniuses at the CIA to catch him.
Second, if this is not so than it is a SHAME that our current (apparently dumb) CIA agents cant solve this riddle.
Im telling you not only to use your brain but to do some very critical thinking right now. Dont you think that not finding Osama is working wonders for BUSH'S agenda? I mean look at all the people supporting WAR, they're all afraid of what the loose Osama might do next.
SO THINK YOURSELVES DONT LET OTHERS DO IT FOR YOU!!!!11/01/2004 06:43:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|ok people use your common sance
vote for bush if you want low minnimum wage, high debd in social security, less jobs, higgh prizes for medical care, and so on...its not just the war..
vote for kerry if you want all those problems tried fixing..higher minimum wagem, more jobs, lower prizes for medication, and so on
please use your common sance when yoo vote and vote smart this is a vary important election we need to fix these problems and we need to make america strong again ..use your common sance and vote kerry11/01/2004 06:54:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best! i almost cried when i read these things that some people said about him! ugh how can people say they are fans of him and not respect him for telling the truth and his opinion? how can poeple say that he cant sing and that he is white trash?!? that he didnt work the right way to where he is now?!all those things are not true and this song is really good. eminem is the best rapper in the whole world and he worked really hard to get the money that he has now! think before you write things like this about someone that are not true!11/01/2004 08:24:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|********Eminem did a great job with this rap and writing the lyrics to it....everything that needed to be said was said through him..whether anyone likes it or not, so many young people look up to him and he is such an inspiration to others. bush is one of the worst presidents this country has ever had, he is NOT doing the best he can but doing the worst anyone could ever do....he wouldn't even sent his own children to war, but he'll send other peoples children....and Eminem's video has tax cuts......for the wealthy, thats not going to do nothin' but make them more wealthier, bush is ignorant and I can't see how people can vote for him unless they want to see this country die.**********11/01/2004 08:59:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Thank you Eminem for finally coming out and using your right to free speach ... back when the war started when people used their right to free speach they were branded UN-American. As soon as the war started I remember talking to my friend who was the Pastors daughter stating the fact that this was just another Vietnam and that we didn't really need to be there (since this so called war has been going on since the seventy's) she agreed but the following Sunday at church that pastor told the group that if we didn't support our president in the war that we didn't support our troops (which I totally support our troops, heck my uncle was killed in the desert storm war of the 90's) and we might as well leave that church right then and there, because he didn't want anyone in that church who didn't support the cause... have it be known I left that church and I have noticed that the people who have exercised their right to free expression have been deemed UN-American since this president has been in office. I feel that our President doesn't believe in the rights that our men on women who have fought and gave their lives for. Maybe its because he has never had to do it or has never lost anyone extremely close to him to realize that those are human beings over there sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles who are actually doing the work not just taking credit for it. So SPEAK YOUR MIND CAST YOUR VOTE If you don't like Kerry so be it but he couldn't be any worse then another four years of Bush's SON. My name is Annie I live in TX my email addy is dumado3@yahoo.com if you want to express your views go ahead and email me I am not afraid to listen to your freedom of speech or your views. Good luck to the candidates especially President Bush I think he needs it.11/01/2004 09:09:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|You know what? Everyone has their right to their own opinion, but if you are going to express yours stating that Eminem is just a "wigger" (just as bad as the N word) (racist jerK) And that the only people who are fans of Eminem are nothing but white trash maybe you should learn how to spell because they are finding out that Bush's people made a mistake by getting IraQ and IraN confused (computers have spell check so what was your's and Bush's problem?)11/01/2004 09:15:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Bush has us soooo worried about the sooo called terrorist problems in IRAQ (no known association there though) that we don't even hear about the fact that Korea has bombs targeted on Pheonix
AZ right now. I have heard that TWICE on the NEWS. But we have to worry about Iraq who had NO weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION. HELLOO... Daddy couldn't win the war so daddys forgotten son has to try and prove himself to daddy... there is an issue america needs to think about THEIR OWN CHILDREN11/01/2004 09:20:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Here is a little UNKNOWN fact to the people of AMERICA. Did you know that Bush's tax break for those who are less fortunate worked wonders for some... BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN THE VOLUNTEER MILITARY DIDN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO RECIEVE THAT TAX BREAK11/01/2004 09:23:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Here is a little UNKNOWN fact to the people of AMERICA. Did you know that Bush's tax break for those who are less fortunate worked wonders for some... BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN THE VOLUNTEER MILITARY DIDN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO RECIEVE THAT TAX BREAK What does that say... OUR TROOPS CAN PAY THEIR LIVES BUT CAN'T PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS (which Bush has interest in also)11/01/2004 10:01:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|First and Foremost for those ForKerry AntiKerry, ForBush Anti Bush If you do not want to be label STUPID check your spelling I know you are typing in the heat of the moment but each side will ridicule you on your spelling saying you are either white trash or southern. I am Californian but live in Texas (I have been branded a liberal because I am from Cali. BECAUSE I won't vote for Bush by my own FAMILY (inlaw of course)
We have the right to vote and it should not be by a celebrities opinion. I find Eminem to be one of the first to finally speak his opinion GREAT but we need to notice that if you don't agree with Bush that your opinion doesn't mean diddly squat. I have read that they think that Eminem did this song because people were sick of hearing about his horrible upbringing well guess what that is what most of America's children are growing up in. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. Our men and women are fighting a war for people who do not want us there instead of raising their families at home. Tax breaks are not given to military because they didn't make enough money. Republicans think if you don't make enough money then thats your problem ... sadly my husband is a republican and he doesn't even make $300 a pay check. When Pres. Clinton was in office he supported his whole family now both parents have to work two jobs to make ends meet and he is a former USMC.11/01/2004 10:02:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|First and Foremost for those ForKerry AntiKerry, ForBush Anti Bush If you do not want to be label STUPID check your spelling I know you are typing in the heat of the moment but each side will ridicule you on your spelling saying you are either white trash or southern. I am Californian but live in Texas (I have been branded a liberal because I am from Cali. BECAUSE I won't vote for Bush by my own FAMILY (inlaw of course)
We have the right to vote and it should not be by a celebrities opinion. I find Eminem to be one of the first to finally speak his opinion GREAT but we need to notice that if you don't agree with Bush that your opinion doesn't mean diddly squat. I have read that they think that Eminem did this song because people were sick of hearing about his horrible upbringing well guess what that is what most of America's children are growing up in. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. Our men and women are fighting a war for people who do not want us there instead of raising their families at home. Tax breaks are not given to military because they didn't make enough money. Republicans think if you don't make enough money then thats your problem ... sadly my husband is a republican and he doesn't even make $300 a pay check. When Pres. Clinton was in office he supported his whole family now both parents have to work two jobs to make ends meet and he is a former USMC.
Most Americans are working 2 jobs or are on welfare....THAT IS NOT THE AMERICAN DREAM11/02/2004 06:36:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|My original post:
Two Points:
1. In this video, and in this song, Eminem has a newfound concern for the US Military. I ask you Eminem, why do you need animation to show you giving a concert to troops in Baghdad? If you're so Pro-Military, why haven't you done a USO show?
2. I am a fan of Eminem's music. Unfortunately, I've lost respect for him with this song. Eminem has a knack for attacking whatever the 'hot issue' is at the time to draw attention to himself. In the past, its been Boy Bands, Britney, Christina, Columbine, Everlast, Insane Clown Posse, Fred Durst... and most recently Michael Jackson.
Now its George Bush. Why not use an election to sell more records?11/02/2004 06:52:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|To clarify that... I'm voting for Kerry, and I believe Bush is a moron, but not because Eminem told me so.
'why do u care what kind of video this is anyway?'
My point was that all of a sudden Eminem is Pro-Military in a few words, yet his actions in the past 5 years have been anything but Pro-Military. My original question remains... Why hasn't Eminem ever shown support for troops anywhere?
He's hopping on the anti-Bush bandwagon, cleverly timing the release of this song (and his new album) with the election.
I am a fan of his music, I respect his opinion, and I will buy Encore. My point is that when he's crying out for 'Bring our boys home' he should back it up with more than a few lyrics.
My brother was in Iraq for 15 months, and would've liked nothing more than to see Eminem live. He attended the Kid Rock show in Germany.
Heck, even Ja Rule did a few songs for the 'boys'.
'why dont you just think about this he is singing about somethings that affect his life like bush. he made dicisions that affacted eminems life and everyones that lives in u.s.'
How is eminem's life effected by Iraq? It will sell more records for him and further solidify his anti-establishment persona.
Let me reiterate this: Eminem is one of my favorite artists ever. NO ONE can compete with his lyrical intelligence. I just hope he'll back up this song with some actual support for our troops.11/02/2004 07:10:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|11/02/2004 07:18:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|To the person who said Osama was sick so we should have caught him. Look at the new Video and even the videos before. He was getting around. And think about this. That is his own country, he knows it well. Think about all the people in our own country that we cant find. People that we even know are still in their home town. How long did it take to catch the unibomber, not to mention all the serial killers. Look im not saying we did everything right. But who does. Every war that we have had we have made mistakes. But we are making progress. Did you hear about the documentary called "Iraqi Boys". All these Iraqi kids were given video cameras and all they did was record there new lives since Sadam fell. Im telling you it will give you a new opinion about the war. Those kids had new freedom that they never had. Oh and I promise I don't let the media decide for me. Well I have more to say but i have to go..I'll finish later.11/02/2004 08:36:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|Furthermore:
Selected lyrics from 'Square Dance' -Eminem Show
"The wrong button to push,
No friend of Bush"
"Oh yeah don't think I won't go there,
Go to Beirut and do a show there
Yah you laugh till your mf a** gets drafted,
While you're at band camp thinkin' the crap can't happen"
"All this terror America demands action,
Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's a** askin'
To join the Army or what you'll do for their Navy.
You just a baby,
Gettin' recruited at eighteen,
You're on a plane now,
Eatin their food and their baked beans.
I'm 28, They're gonna take you 'fore they take me"
How's that show in Beirut Em?11/02/2004 11:28:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best rapper ever! i love him and his songs! he is very talanted and i am a very big fan of him! i luv eminem11/02/2004 12:52:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|whoever said republicans are smart and democrats are stupid is clearly misguided...look at our president...bush was a c- student at yale, kerry was captain of the debate team! Another little fact that might be of interest to everyone: 80% of all people with a p.h.d. or higher education vote democrat. Interesting how the most educated people in america vote for democrats....maybe they are smart enough to see past bush's lies and see him for what he really is...an incompetent president.11/02/2004 01:35:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Eminem new rap is great, he speaking hes mind what wrong wit dat!!!!11/02/2004 03:04:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|when i first heard eminem's new song i was surprised that he was anti bush. First of all before 9/11 even happened the president did have information that had said there would be a terriost attack on the U.S. but he did nothing about it and the terriosts ended up hijacking our planes and crashing them. Even before 9/11 he was a bad president. We should have went to war with Afganistan not Iraq. Yeah so what if we have suddam what about Osma bin laden. Where in the hell is he? Still free somewhere problably planning his next attack. If we want to stop terroism we need to find Bin laden. And as far as im concerned i dont blame other countries for not getting involved with this war. It was pointless. Also Bush usually uses religion in a lot of his views, well if he is so religious than he should have looked at the ten ammendments a little better, the one that says though shall not kill well he has killed. He killed all those innocent soliders by making them go to war to fight and die under false acusations that there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. If anyone in America had half a brain they will vote for Kerry on nov.2nd not Bush. Just remember what ever dicsion we make now will have a big impact on our future.11/02/2004 03:17:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"Let me reiterate this: Eminem is one of my favorite artists ever. NO ONE can compete with his lyrical intelligence. I just hope he'll back up this song with some actual support for our troops."
Let me correct you: NO OTHER WHITE BOY can compete with his lyrical intelligence. I am assuming that this is what you meant, that is if your knowlege of true mc's within the rap realm is broad enough.11/02/2004 03:59:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|It disgusts me to read the comments written by the closed-minded ignorant people who believe that Bush is a good president. Eminem could not have been more right and this song perfectly echoes the same sentiments that millions of Americans feel. Bush is ruining everything that many of us hold dear and it is scary to even think what kind of damage he will do if elected president in the next four years. Of course no president is perfect, but Bush has ignored the needs and rights of the middle and lower class Americans deciding to focus on the wealthy. He is turning this country into a twisted place where the country is hated by many others in the world, where our rights are trampled in the the name of an unethical war. I respect Eminem for voicing the opinion that millions share. Bush sucks. and I am afraid for this country if he cheats his way to the office again.11/02/2004 06:08:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|***********First of all, Eminem did not write this song to just sell another album, thats not the only reason, as he CLEARLY said, the reason why this song was written was to get young people to vote.....so what, so he's made fun of other people in his songs and attacked certain things and now attacked Bush......If you don't like his lyrics, then don't listen to them...he's just giving his opinion just like everyone else is posting their opinions on this site......
TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT VOTING FOR BUSH, your not voting for him because Eminem doen't want you to, right? SO ************MARCO***********.......why don't you actually LISTEN to Eminem's lyrics.....when does he tell anybody to vote for Kerry......not once does he even mention Kerry's name in the song.
And of course he's trying to sell his record, why else would he be in the music bisiness....to make money,to show off his lyrical intelligence and to let his voice be heard...his opinion, but troops and war was not the only thing he talked about......he's rich and he still wrote about tax cuts...... this whole war and Iraq thing could affect his life just like it's affecting yours now......you don't think he has a brother to think about?...so he's attacking Bush, just like your attacking him.....he wants the troops back home....what else did you want him to say...........11/02/2004 06:47:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Im very surprised that someone would imply that kerry is more religous than bush... if he is then why is he for abortion, stem-cell research, and cloning...Also why then does the pope strongly oppose Kerry's ideas. Kerry is catholic yet seems to go against every teaching of the catholic church. the only thing kerry hasn't flip-flopped on is voting pro-abortion, as he did vote for going to war numerous times11/02/2004 08:33:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|NO OTHER WHITE BOY can compete with his lyrical intelligence. I am assuming that this is what you meant, that is if your knowlege of true mc's within the rap realm is broad enough.
what are you trying to say? eminem is not a true mc? just listin to his songs he is the best rapper ever he is the most popular one too he is vary talanted and it doesn't matter what color you r it matters if you can rap or not and eminem is the best he still would be white or not dont look at the color look at the talent!
eminem is the best rapper ! i love eminem!11/02/2004 08:33:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|NO OTHER WHITE BOY can compete with his lyrical intelligence. I am assuming that this is what you meant, that is if your knowlege of true mc's within the rap realm is broad enough.
what are you trying to say? eminem is not a true mc? just listin to his songs he is the best rapper ever he is the most popular one too he is vary talanted and it doesn't matter what color you r it matters if you can rap or not and eminem is the best he still would be white or not dont look at the color look at the talent!
eminem is the best rapper ! i love eminem!11/02/2004 11:32:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|U KNOW WHAT! it's election night, and all I see is complete B.S... BUSH IS WINNING! what the heck is that?
When will ppl wake up and see what he's doing! When will the public choose a president that would proudly stand beside his country and lead them to a brighter future instead of working on his golf swing. 9 out of the 10 major countries that voted said that they would prefer kerry as president. WHY? because bush has gone crazy! He treats his debates like stand up comedy, and he looks like an over sized keebler elf : )absolute power corrupts abosolutly... and as it is right now the public just keeps shoveling power on to this man's plate! He's not our only choice! STAND UP! BRING TROOPS HOME! STOP LETTING INNOCENT CHILDREN SUFFER! START MAKING AMERICA KNOWN FOR GOOD COTRIBUTIONS INSTEAD OF CRAZY LEADERSHIP CHOICES! GO EMINEM for making a song that could open peoples eyes!you dont have to be pro kerry... u just have to be anti-bush!11/03/2004 06:02:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|1."Let me correct you: NO OTHER WHITE BOY can compete with his lyrical intelligence. I am assuming that this is what you meant, that is if your knowlege of true mc's within the rap realm is broad enough."
Someone's always gotta pull the race card eh? You're absolutely right though, so I'll restate:
NO ONE, aside from Tupac, can compete with his lyrical intelligence.
2."the reason why this song was written was to get young people to vote"
-I agree
3."If you don't like his lyrics, then don't listen to them'
-I do like his lyrics, i question his timing.
4."when does he tell anybody to vote for Kerry......not once does he even mention Kerry's name in the song."
-slamming Bush is the same as endorsing Kerry. Maybe you should listen to they lyrics again.
5."he wants the troops back home....what else did you want him to say..........."
-I want him to back up his words with action, otherwise they are only words. What ticked me off most is him doing a 'Show' in baghdad (notice the iraqi crossed swords behind the stage) Do one live and you won't have to animate that scene. If you're going to support the military, then he has the ability to do so through entertaining.
Our troops have been in Iraq approaching TWO years now, and he just came up with a song to support them last week? That, to me, is someone jumping on the bandwagon. Well, welcome aboard Em, now back it up.
As I said before, even (the barely credible, much despised in the rap world) JA RULE showed real support.
anyone who has anything to say, take 30 seconds to sign up for a name, show some sack so I don't have to reply to 'Anonymous'11/03/2004 07:45:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Well according to most of america (the popular vote whet easely to Bush) you people here that hate Bush are the minority. It shows me that unlike what you people think, most people in America saw through Kerry's lies and half-truths. They did notice how he disgraced his country by doing and saying some of the things when he got back from Vietnam. They did see how he believed the same intelegence about weapons of mass destruction that Bush believed (FACT). They also noticed that he did flip flop on just about every issue. oh except for killing babies and giving our nations soverignty over to the U.N. The votes also show that most Americans trust Bush with the security of this nation. All I can say is maybe you should be the one opening your eyes.11/03/2004 12:30:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|ugh i cant belive this!ok if bush id gonna do the same to this country as he did before i dont wanna hear compaining from those who love bush. lets see how you are gonna feel in four years when america is gonna be so low its gonna be imposible to be happy or feel safe! so everyone should have thought before they voted and yes opened your eyes! i guess there is no poin in this know since bush won and know i just have to deal with it and let my future suffer i'll still respect him now becasue he is the president but u know what i dont want to hear anyone complane in four years who voted for bush! i still cant believe this i wanned kerry to win so bad. i just dont like a president that lied to us before becasue now i cant trust him11/03/2004 04:55:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|EMINEM is the best he always was and he always will be. he is the best rap artist and he is vary talanted he is also hot! i love eminem i am a vary big fan of him and his music. and this song is awsome! another four years of bush..oh boy...well ill hope he does a better job then this year. ilove eminem and all of his songs he is trully the best11/03/2004 08:15:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE THIS SONG ARE THE SAME TYPES THAT WOULDA HATED MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. IN THE 60s. ITS APAULING TO ME THAT AMERICA IS SO STUPID THESE DAYS. BUSH IS THE WORST PES. OF ARE LIFETIME HE USES SCARE TATICS TO CONTROL YOU. HE IS AN EVIL PERSON WHO HIDES BEHIND THINGS LIKE FEAR,GOD ANDS STUPIDITY.HE USES THE SAME TACTICS AS HITLER DID IN THE HAULACOST MAKIN EVERYONE SCARED OF A CERTAIN KINDA PEOPLE THEN USING THAT TO CONTROL THE MASSES. IT SICKINS ME THAT PEOPLE VOTE FOR HIM AT ALL.WE WILL BE FEELING THE REPERCUSHIONS OF THIS FOR THE NEXT 50 TO 100 YEARS WITH THE DEBT AND A HOLY WAR RAGING SO OUT OF CONTROL IT MAYBE TO LATE. NEXT TIME YOU THINK BUSH IS JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER GUY REMEMBER HE WAS A CHILD OF PRIVALAGE WHOS MAIN GOAL IN LIFE IS TO MAKE FORTUNES. HE NEVER FAUGHT IN A WAR BUT HELL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU IF IT MAKES HIM AND HIS RICH FREINDS A BUCK. OH AND THE FIRST TIME HE EVER HAD TO REALLY WORK IN HIS LIFE WAS SEP 11 BUT HE RATHER TAKE OVER AN OIL RICH NATION INSTEAD OF BRINGIN THE GUILTY ONES TO JUSTICE. INSEAD OF GIVIN EMINEMS VIDEO GUFF. GIVE CRAP TO BUSH FOR THE FACT THAT THERES SOME EVIL MAN IN A CAVE STILL MAKIN VIDEOS.11/04/2004 06:44:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|11/04/2004 06:56:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|Hey 'Anonymous'
Typing in all caps makes you look foolish.
Even more so, your ability to spell and use grammar is consistent with your comparisons. Here's the translations:
'APAULING' - When you imitate someone named Paul.
'OF ARE LIFETIME' - of our lifetime?
'HAULACOST' - Is that like UHaul? UHaul-a-costs-a-lot-of-money.
'REPERCUSHIONS' - The Grim Reapers comfortable sofa seating.
'PRIVALAGE' - The Age of Prival, sometime after Paleozoic Age and before Mesozoic Age.
Use spellchecker, white space, and mixed case lettering. It will help you look less stupid.11/05/2004 10:57:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I'm assuming that this thread has probably ceased to be such a "hot topic", but I have just found it, and wish to put my views on here myself. The election has come and gone, and I voted Kerry. I am not about to flame anyone who voted Bush, or anyone who decided to denounce Eminem for having his own personal views, but I felt that I wanted to add something to this thread, minus the aggressive hate-throwing commentaries, or Em-loving posts by what seemed to be a thousand 13 year olds.
The truth of the matter is that Bush is not a good president. He is not the all time worst, but at the same time, he's far from the best choice for the position. He has indeed lied to us, berated us, and used us. The men and women who are fighting over in Iraq truly have NO REASON to be there. Bush was told with no uncertainty (even by his father), that going into Iraq was a major mistake. Once you’re in there, there is NO coming out. And yet, he pushed forward, with the rest of the world sitting back with their mouths ajar from his stupidity. Now we are in a country that had NO WMD’s, Sadam has fallen, AND we are still there, rebuilding a country that we had no reason to bother in the first place.
Bush’s major claim to fame was the way he handled 9-11. Yes, he sat there with that little girl; yes he pretended nothing happened for a few minutes. And yes, I will not deny, that his overall body language left MUCH to be desired in a president, but I will also say, that because of 9-11, and the way he handled it POST-classroom, a lot of American’s felt secure, safe, and thankful. Safe from another immediate attack, secure in the fact that we could still bomb the hell out of anyone who messed with us, and thankful that our President listened to our outcry for vengeance.
Then he screwed up.
We had Osama. He was RIGHT THERE. Bush backed off.
We went into Iraq to finish a war that Daddy Bush ran away from. We went in with the lie that there were WMD’s, and we NEEDED to protect ourselves. We went into Iraq with the intent to re-claim the Bush families desire to be the best.
The result: American men are dead. American women are dead. Innocent Iraqi people are dead. Iraqi children and babies are dead. And we came out “victorious”. We toppled a few statues, and we caught a senile old man hiding alone in a hole.
The aftermath: America is responsible for Iraq now. We “freed” them, but now we control them. We gave them the freedom to elect people, but we tell them which candidates they can have. We give them the freedom to voice their opinions, and wonder why they open fire on our soldiers. We still send people over there to get killed or beheaded almost daily, so that we can spend money building them schools. The question I have is this: WHY ARE WE STILL OVER THERE? The answer is simple. If we can get Iraq to be our “colony” so to speak, then we have control over their oil. Oil makes money. Money goes to rich people. Bush=rich people. Honestly, it’s nearly impossible to not see the equation.
Now here comes the really sad part. We re-elected Bush into office. Why? Because the majority of American’s felt that he had to turn it all around now. He HAD to fight for us; he couldn’t have goofed up any more. And a lot of American’s didn’t like John Kerry. Fine. That’s their opinion. And although I voted for him, and I am a Democrat, I didn’t much like him either (although he did conduct himself in a much stronger way than Bush EVER did during those campaign months, and the debates). But the truth is Bush was going EASY on America. He was minding his behavior over the last four years. Why? Because he wanted to run for re-election. So now that there is nothing else that he can accomplish politically, what do you think the next four years are going to look like?
Already, on his good behavior, he has burned bridges, he has offended our allies, he has killed our soldiers, he has poured our money overseas, he has shipped our businesses to cheaper areas, and he has let Osama run free sending tapes all over the place. His true claims to fame: bombing sand dunes, and handcuffing an old man. IF he flubbed all of this in the last four years, and he was STILL re-elected, what do you HONESTLY think he’s going to do now? BEHAVE? Probably not. If anything, he’s probably going to make us sink lower than ever before.
In all honesty, I see our government being the one to topple. Under President Bush’s dictatorship, I see our society crumbling. Just because he can recite a passage or two from the Bible, doesn’t necessarily mean that Bush can run a country. I personally feel that he is going to destroy the “Land of the Free”, and create the dictatorial, desolate, barren land that most of our nations immigrants (new or old) were attempting to flee from.
Goodbye America, Hello Nazi-Regime.
I just pray that my gut feelings (and MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICAN’S GUT FEELINGS) are wrong.11/05/2004 12:32:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best rap artist. he is very talanted and he has a good future with singing. i love his songs and i love this song. eminem is really awsome and he isn't afraid to say how he feels even tho he knows that people are gonna say bad things about him speaking his mind. i just think poeple should have a lot of other better things to do then to talk how eminem sings about something and thta he says his opinion. stop talking bad things about him! eminem is the best11/05/2004 12:33:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|ii love eminem! he is awsome!11/08/2004 12:55:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|uh soldiers died for fighting for terrorisnt??? not al of them soem died for soil so you know what yeah bush killed soldiers for something like oil. if you think that fighing for oil is protecting america then keep on thinking that. i know somw protect america but some have to fight for oil and some die for that so thats not right. i think some of you need to read the messege that a soldier wrote on this page i think some of you might learn a lot.11/09/2004 09:58:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Eminem has my utmost respect. He has given me hope in a country full of fear. Bush should NOT have won. He is a puppet with Cheneys arm up his ass. Cheney is a man with zero emotion. That frightens me. 3 years after Sept 11 and Bin Laden is still alive, free, and able to make more fun videotapes. WHY???? Can't you Bush supporters see what is wrong? Just take a second to think for yourself and not beleive everything you hear from our leader. PEOPLE IN POWER DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THEMSELVES. It's convienent that another video of Bin Laden was released days before the election. There are two ways to rule people - by fear or by love. I am tired of having fear that is why I hate Bush. They killed the Hussein brothers and captured Saddam. With no WMD's and no ties to Al Quaida - but plenty of oil and opportunity for revenge for the attack on his dad - for some reason Bush has forgotten about Bin Laden. Why???? Do you Bush supporters ever question that???? Or can you not think for yourselves??? Do you think that his rich oil buddies are standing by while Bush has invaded the land of oil? Quit being a sheep and see the big picture. Bush is using fear to cover up his personal interests and to get people to follow him. Do you even question why people hate us??? It's because of the actions of people in power like Bush. Now I know why other countries think we are idiots. With a president like Bush still in power and over half the country following him - I pray to God that things don't get worse.11/09/2004 01:02:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|The timing of the new Laden tape IS convienient. It puts fear back into over half the nation at the perfect time. It works to Bush's favor because it shows that he IS still alive and even though Bush has blown the shit out of Iraq, Laden is still making threats on Bush's watch. Where's the priority? 9/11 happened on Bush's watch with evidence that he knew about the plans beforehand. Trust broken. The Bush administration has fell down on the job, put together a masterpeice of false information to go into Iraq because they are a threat, and have over half the nation still trust him. Do you question why the focus shifted to Iraq?? Why not keep the focus on the mastermind behind 9/11? Maybe Bush needed Laden in order to stay in office for another 4 years. I'll bet that within the next 4 years they will find him to show that Bush did a 'good' job. I don't care if you can't find people in our own country but you don't go to kick the shit out of another country to show the world not to f*ck with us. So what did that accomplish? We can finally rest because we now know Iraq does not have WMDs? I was supporting going into Iraq BECAUSE THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF WMDS. Ok now we know FOR SURE THEY DO NOT HAVE WMDS. Don't you think we need to take a step back and think for ourselves??? Who is leading us???? A bunch of bumbling idiots. I don't know about you but in my job if I say I have evidence of something and my company acts on it and it's false, the company looks bad and I would probably get fired. On the scale of false information for going to war - the entire administration needs to be fired. Do you react on every peice of 'evidence'? Seriously - how can you trust the Bush administration after the past four years???? You're right - who cares about other countries not liking America. But we should at least have the ability to consider their perspective, right? We can't be ignorant forever. Can't we learn from history and other countries?? America does not have the answers but we do have the ability to think and self-analyze what our actions are doing. Don't we? The first thing I thought when 9/11 happened was WHY? I still don't know other that 'they are Islamic fundamentalists and that's just how they are'. I really don't know why Germany and France don't like us do you? Or do you even care?11/09/2004 08:54:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I think the people that voted for bush are going to realize they fucked up when r u going to wake up and see that hes not for the people hes for himself and the rich he doesnt give a shit about you or the troops hes going to kill whatever america stands for and thats freedom. From the start ive always had these feelings as i quote from mosh.
" maybe we can reach al-qaida through my speech. Let the president answer to a higher anarchy. strap him with a-k. let him go fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way. no more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil. No more psychological warfare to trick us to thinking that we aint loyal if we dont serve our own country; we're patronizing a hero. Look in his eyes, it's all lies. The stars and the stripes? They've been swiped washed out and wiped, and replace with his own face. mosh now or die". Reason why i quoted that part is i know im not the only american that feels that way.
All you bush supporters will find out the hard way.11/09/2004 10:46:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|11/09/2004 11:25:00 PM|W|P| Jon Fortt|W|P|I've had to delete a couple more posts.
Like I've said before, this is a Christian blog, and there's certain language I won't tolerate. Exceedingly vulgar references to the president, John Kerry, or anyone else will be deleted.
You're welcome to enjoy freedom of speech. I think more than 100 comments on this post support that. But if you want to be crass, by all means comment on another blog.
For those of you who have kept your comments thoughtful, thanks for adding your two cents.11/09/2004 11:40:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|11/09/2004 11:43:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|11/10/2004 04:25:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|First of all i would like to say i love your songs eminem and i always listen to them but i got a really good point on your song. First off you are always disen someone else to make your self feel good ovbiously, and who carers if Bush wants his dad to be proud of him dont we all of us oh yeah i forgot you dont have a dad not to be mean and all but every song you write you feel the need to post something about your dad in it like you blamming everyone else for it. So can you answer this quesion for me????¿¿¿¿ If Bush is such a bad president and all this then why is it that we aint die yet??? Cuz if he was gunna let something happen to us by the iraqies dont you think it would have already happened??? Why dont you consintrate on the reall problems of today like why dont you put something in your songs bout drugs. WOW most thepeople round the world are worrieing botu that.. Not that you care you may think my school is bad but today [ 11-10-04] kids in my school were smoking and doing drugs cant you for once forget bout Bush and put something bout other problems in this world in the harsh mean lyrics in your song? SO YEAH THAT IS MY OPINON ON YOUR SONG MOSH AND GOD BLESS AMERICA AND BUSH!!!!!!!!!
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible_
why couldnt you finish the pledge dont belive in the country or is it that BUSH is our pres. ANYWAYS BUSH DIDNT WRITE THE PLEDGE SO YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT OUT OF YOUR SONG ALSO YOU WONT BUSH TO FIGHT HIS WAR ?? WHY AINT WE SEEN YOU GO OUT ANMD FIGHT IF YOU SO CONSERNED BOUT HTE WAR??? RIGHT YOU AINT KNOW....
YEAH SEE IM ONLY 13 AND I KNOW MORE BOUT THE WAR AND MY WORLD THEN YOU PEOPLE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!11/10/2004 04:35:00 PM|W|P| Jon Fortt|W|P|I've got 13-year-olds posting on my blog. And that's what makes this country great.11/11/2004 11:41:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands
Two nations under Bush...11/11/2004 12:39:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"First off you are always disen someone else to make your self feel good ovbiously, and who carers if Bush wants his dad to be proud of him "
the whole song isnt about bushes dad it just said that because maybe he feels like bush has been doing things to make his dad proud instead of americans!!
"i forgot you dont have a dad not to be mean and all but every song you write you feel the need to post something about your dad in it like you blamming everyone else for it."
how has he been doing that realli tell me i wanna know how?????
" So can you answer this quesion for me????¿¿¿¿ If Bush is such a bad president and all this then why is it that we aint die yet???"
why dont you listen to the song how is bush a good president??? and he has been singing about tax cuts and warr and stuff he never said we are gonna die!!
" Why dont you consintrate on the reall problems of today like why dont you put something in your songs bout drugs."
if the way america has been going down is not a real problem then idk. and why does eminem have to say something about drugs he has been talking about one of the BIG problems! and he never said that he doesnt care about that!
"cant you for once forget bout Bush and put something bout other problems in this world in the harsh mean lyrics in your song?"
he has been singing about other things he doesnt always sing about bush!
also he didnt make those things up what he sang about is all true so how can you even say bad things about this song??!?? if you like bush that much thats fine i guess you dont care about the poor people. STOP SAYING BS ABOUT EMINEM!!!!!! eminem is the best and he is just saing the truth so maybe some people would open there eyes!
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible_
"why couldnt you finish the pledge dont belive in the country or is it that BUSH is our pres. ANYWAYS BUSH DIDNT WRITE THE PLEDGE SO YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT OUT OF YOUR SONG ALSO YOU WONT BUSH TO FIGHT HIS WAR ?? WHY AINT WE SEEN YOU GO OUT ANMD FIGHT IF YOU SO CONSERNED BOUT HTE WAR??? RIGHT YOU AINT KNOW...."
yoo abously dont know what ur talking about get ur facts streight.
"YEAH SEE IM ONLY 13 AND I KNOW MORE BOUT THE WAR AND MY WORLD THEN YOU PEOPLE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!"
\no u absously dont know anything about the war get ur facts streight!!! im 14 and so what but you realli dont know anything so get ur facts sreight and liseten to the song ! and try to understand it too !
EMINEM IS THE BEST!!!!!! everyone has to stop saying bad things about him!!11/12/2004 08:00:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|abrittian, i agree with your points about celebrities telling the sheep in this country how to think.
However, Eminem may be a lucky punk with rhyming talent... but he's also a lucky punk 'multimillionaire'. I just gave him another $15 today for Encore.11/12/2004 11:52:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|1. "Who cares about Eminem" - Millions of fans ALL OVER THE WORLD and me.
2. "He is a wannabe gangster" - no, he doesn't rap about driving 64 impalas with juice, no - he doesn't rap about wanting to be a drug dealer, no - he doesn't rap about killing bloods or crips.
3. "who cares about his political views" - Millions of fans ALL OVER THE WORLD and me.
4. "If it takes someone like him to 'open your eyes' then you have problems" - no my eyes were half open. He just "led me through the darkness, as he provided just enough spark that I needed to proceed. Carry on, gave me hope, give me strength"
5. "Didn't we learn through this election that Hollywood and other celebrities have no influence on the election." - No we learned that many people do not care about death and destruction and about "our own battles to fight on our soil"
6. "celebrities with extreme views like Eminem and Mikael Mooron I mean Moore even have a negative affect for the candidate they are supporting" - Blah blu blah
7. "These celebrites need to stick to what they do best" - You are ignorant to the purpose of artists Artists such as Eminem and Michael Moore inspire people. Artists reach and influence people. Your arguments have no validity because you are not even considering the purpose of artists.
8. "You all make Eminem out to be the best thing to ever happen to America" - Over the past four years yes, he is more of a positive influence than Bush. As an artist he shows that we do not have to take the distrust of the Bush administration and personal interests. We can actively speak out because we live in the land of the free - you know those fundamental rules that this country was founded on?
9 . "he is just a whining wanna be gangstar rapper. Probably never been in a fight in his whole life." - blah bluh blah, great argument dude.11/12/2004 12:17:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|the persoen that said that he should be more focused on drugs then his president : why dont yoo stop complaning and yoo focus ore about drugs then eminem ok?? how is this eminem's fault that a lot of people do drugs????? why cant bush deal with this situation???its not eminems risponsability to make everyone stop using drugs its more of the presidents reasposability if you dont like that a lot of poeple uyse drugs blame bush! not emnem! and also you need to get ur facts streight11/12/2004 12:24:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|everyone that said bad things about eminem and good things about bush surelly dont know what they are taling about. eminme is the best and everyone that says anything alse doesnt understand anything. everyone that said bad things about him dont say the facts because there are no bad facts about him. and everyone that said bad things about the song say things like he only said that because he doesnt have a father well that doesnt make any sance because he only said something about bush's dad in one santace and the rest is all other things. get ur facts streight poeple and stop talking bad things about eminem because he is the best! i love eminem!!!11/12/2004 05:08:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"If it takes a celebrity to "inspire" you then you have some problems" - Yes I admit I have problems - everyone has some sort of "problems" IF YOU CANT ADMIT IT THEN YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS. Nobody is perfect and I am not saying that Eminem is. I am saying that artists inspire people. Are you that simple minded that you cannot comprehend the reason that WE NEED ARTISTS? Imagine a word without pictures, music, literature and movies. I don't care what the artform or content is IT IS NEEDED. If you don't like the artist or artform then go away and don't come back to it. Here's the bottom line: Eminem grew up without a father or father figure and with a mom that had problems with alcohol and drugs. Why was that? Do you really think it was his fault because he didn't have someone to look up to and show him right or wrong? C'mon, it is minds like yours that can't see why things are the way they are and that is why I don't like Bush. Don't blame Eminem for the way he is -blame his dad for leaving, blame society for not helping him in developmental years, blame the president for not focusing on "our own battles to fight on our soil" AND UNTIL PEOPLE LIKE YOU SEE THE BIG PICTURE our country will not solve anything here. See, people like you have selective hearing and thoughts. People like you don't question things or try to understand them. You throw you your own personal judgements without even understanding truth. Are you understanding yet? Let me explain a little more. There are many people like you that only see negative and never the positive side of things. Eminem is A GREAT ARTIST BECAUSE HE CAN REACH SO MANY PEOPLE. HE IS A POSITIVE INFLUENCE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE HAS GONE THROUGH BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE RIGHT NOW. I am not saying that all his music is positive. He said it himself his music is tongue-in-cheek - meaning don't take it literally. His past two albums have songs that are deep and are more positive. It is really sad that there are so many people like you that cannot see the fundamentals. That is why we need artists like Eminem to free us from the oppression of you and Republicans. As you tear him down people are inspired by him because of what he was able to do with his life in regards to what he has had to deal with growing up. Basically against all odds. Put yourself in his shoes. No dad, a mom thats an alcoholic and a drug abuser, what would you do? What are your options? Not simple is it? Why is it that people like you have to tear him down now and not when he was growing up and struggling? Oh that would have been wrong, correct? Yea, so you say he is worthless now that he rose up above his past and made something of himself? If that is not inspiring to you then you really do have some serious problems. Here's a tip for our depressed nation: anti-depressents are not a cure - Eminem is.11/12/2004 05:15:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|and he is not a "celebrity activist" he merely speaks his mind and has firm beliefs IN A CREATIVE WAY. Just as YOU speak your mind, just as everyone in this misguided country has the right to do.11/12/2004 09:06:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|These lyrics are extremely powerful. Eminem is one being that expresses himself truly, and that is how one should express themself. Why should people hold back or hesitate to do so? In this world, we need to speak our mind. Even if it means being shut out, disputed, or completely unrecognized time and time again. Speak it again and again- it will be recognized sooner or later. How could anyone disagree with these lyrics as they watch what is occuring around us? I'm apolled by this, how could people be so oblivious, so selfish? People need to be more aware of the world around them and they need to stop turning their faces to the truth.11/12/2004 10:14:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|'' Strap him with AK-47. Let him go fight his own war''
''Look in his eyes, it's all lies''
1st one is totally true
2nd one if u look in his eyes u can actualy see that he is either very sad or lieing11/13/2004 12:08:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Nice quote at the end of this article:
http://baltimorechronicle.com/111204Knipp.shtml
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The next few months will show what the next four years will be like, but predictably,"terrorism" and Iraq will be used to hide systematic damage done to Social Security, civil rights, the judicial system, health care, science, the separation of church and state, and the environment -- assaults which will now proceed apace. The manufactured fears and foreign adventures will serve as powerful public distractions as the Bush domestic project -- dismantling the liberal policies of the past three decades -- quietly and stealthily moves forward.11/13/2004 05:50:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|E|M|I|N|E|M|- my antidrug
everyone that said eminem is not a posotive artists are not thinking right. he is my insporation about everything i understand him and i understand where he is comeing from and he understand how people feel that have the same past as he did. i dont know where i would be if eminem wasnt here he is everything that i look up to. the commants on this page that said bad things made me sick. yoo people dont know what you are talking about and you dont understand him. and the person that said eminem shouldnt focus on bush ( who runs america and who controls his life ) and said that he should focus more on drugs well gess what he is my anti drug. how can anyone say bad things about the song when it just tells the truth peple need to stop lying to them selfs. i am very glad that eminem is what he is today because i dont know where i would be with out him right now. i really do look up to him in a posotive way and he is an insporation to me. i love eminem and people need to stop talking these things about him and learn more about him. eminem is the best11/14/2004 02:24:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Em's new album came out Fri. and he has grown into an extremely effective and talented artist. Damn it is awesome to see someone grow like the way he did. Looks like 2Pacs spirit lives on... Cuz I can feel it.
You hear me Em haters? Didn't mention anything about guns or drugs or killing people. I'm talking about someone coming up from the gutter(the place that the Republicans and the sheep are not concerned with) with a drug addict and alcoholic mom(Yea, drugs were around before Em haters blamed him for drugs in society) to be a good dad who struggles to shelter his daughter from the media that shows a negative perspective about him a(even though he didn't have one, yea - he had to learn what a good father is supposed to be - without one) while trying to keep his sanity from all you Em haters that want him to go back to the gutter. He came up from a part of society that has been swept away by our busy government. We are the new generation that has to grow up on our own without trust and solid family values because our families and the government are too busy to bother to listen to us. It’s too bad you Em haters can’t see past what the media tells you. Maybe you are just bad parents who let the media and tv raise your kids. Maybe while you are busy not being a parent you can listen to his music to get a clue how to be a good parent. Lead on Em, show us how to rise above the people that don't understand why we are the way we are, and ignore people trying to tear us down when they don't even know us. Oh and thanks for bringing up the question of personal interests in the Middle East at the expense of American lives I think a lot of people had it on their minds but didn't have the voice to ask it. I look forward to hearing a response from the Bush administration regarding those points. I will only accept the truth through facts, which the facts are out there if you do a search on google, now I am patiently waiting for the Bush administration to deny it so I can put my trust in Em and be more anti-Bush.
Oh - one last thing to the Em haters I have an assignment for you - listen to track #11 on the new album - you'll realize you're just a big weenie, (big weenie)11/14/2004 03:50:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Hey Bush can be inspiring also - he makes me want to read a nursery book upside down and choke on a pretzel - shit - never mind, I'm lost.11/14/2004 12:31:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Im inspired by Bush to work for a friend-of-Bush company like Enron that gave $2.4 Mil to federal candidates - 72% of which went to Rebublicans. Lets all support great organizations that have personal interests beyond our knowledge while raping the people supporting them. Wait - shit - never mind - we have another four years of it. America is the new Enron. How does it feel? I can only ask Bush to use some lube on us Americans when it happens this time.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132368,00.html11/14/2004 12:33:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Im inspired by Bush to work for a friend-of-Bush company like Enron that gave $2.4 Mil to federal candidates - 72% of which went to Rebublicans. Lets all support great organizations that have personal interests beyond our knowledge while raping the people supporting them. Wait - shit - never mind - we have another four years of it. America is the new Enron. How does it feel? I can only ask Bush to use some lube on us Americans when it happens this time.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132368,00.html11/14/2004 01:35:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I am happy to say that I voted against Bush but am both sad and shocked that he won. It's sad that so many people can't think about the personal interests of people in power and how it affects everyone much more fundamentally than religion can offset. That being said, this election has woken me up from a somber sleep about who holds my destiny. I've always expected that when I work for and support the system that the system will have my best interests in mind and won't have to worry about my future. In the past two weeks I've realized so many things contrary to this. The one thing that sticks out the most is the fact that I cannot live the next four years of my life the same way I've lived the last. If you haven't seen it yet you should watch the Eminem video Mosh. Very inspiring and powerful. I do see a silver lining in this grey cloud of the election though - the fact that with this anger and frustration comes a certain directed and focused passion, that I have not felt or had control of before, that sheds a fear of many things that was keeping me in a comatose. There are two ways to rule a country - by fear or by love. I don't have any more strength for fear, those chains were too heavy. From my experience it is the combination of events, experience, and persistence of truth that change us for the better while fear and judgement is a change for the worse. I've never been so interested in the politics(psychologically and financially) before because I didn't see the negative effects. With my study of film I've been able to see the meaning - not in the words - but in the actions and subtle details that many others overlook. I feel enlightened.11/15/2004 12:36:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"Don't blame Eminem for the way he is -blame his dad for leaving, blame society for not helping him in developmental years" That is retarded.
No shit it's retarded. It's retarded that society blames individuals for how they grew up and not the parents. Lets put all of the responsibility of raising a child on hiself/herself so that parents don't have to bother. Do you understand anything about learned behaviours? If you lived in a world of drugs, poverty, and violence do you expect the f*cking happy fairy to come down from heaven to save you and show you a different way? People that grow up in environments like that DO NOT KNOW ANY DIFFERENT. Do you understand that? How can they? That is the world they live in. It's not your world where everything has a happy ending and it's not the happy world that you live in. Why don't you move to the ghetto so you can feel what it's like.
"Thats just what murderes use as their excuses for killing people,and criminals use as thir excuse for what they do." So does that mean it's not true? Because murderes use it as an 'excuse'. Right that makes it not true. Because they use it as an excuse. Well excuse me. How about the excuse for going to war with Iraq was WMDs. But wait that's not true because it's an excuse. Now you are excused.11/15/2004 06:37:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"How about the people that are still suffering because they dont happen to have talent like Em. Em might have had a rough life but looks like he's allright now. Have you seen his mansion. He doesn't have it near as bad as others."
ok and how is this eminems fault???? this is bushs fault he is the one who should focus on this! why do yoo people keep on blaming him for this stuff. yea he did have a bad past and he made through it and now he likes to sing about it to let his family and fans know how he feels about everything. why dont yoo just get of eminems back and let him do what he is doing ???? i love his music why do you people keep on bringing up the negattive about him??? when there is no negative he is great he is the insporation he is my hero he helps people that live like he used to the people acually think they can be like him too he is the insporation for living of some people that live like he used to.he is the best there is no negetavie about him you people just talk all this stuff about him that doesnt even make sance. get a live and stop talking bad things about him!!!!! oh and you should buy his cd and listin to it. it does have meening and its shows what he went throught to get where he is and i am happy that he sings about it because i wanna know about is past! eminem is the best!!! he is the insporation of my life!! i love him!11/16/2004 09:26:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|You guys make all this fuss about our president but how many of you actually went out and voted? i voted for bush because he was promising realistic things as opposed to kerry who wouldve had to raise all sorts of taxes to give us the things he was talking about yes i did like the things that kerry said and im a republican but that does not mean i agree with the war. yes i do think its horrible that weve lost so many young people because of the war and it does upset me. but do you remember sept. 11TH? why do you think there was so much job loss? for every 1 person that died in those attacks there was 1 job lost. do the math. i do like eminem and i think that hes more than welcome to voice his opinion. and yes its sad that he cant promise us a return date but these people made a choice to be in the military and yes some didnt make the choice but all we can do is send our love and thanks to our troops because theyre doing a damn good job fighting over there. hopefully theyll be home soon. so intstead of being mad at bush, praise our troops and get out there and show your thanks volunteer to send care packages, write lettersd let them know were proud of them. theyve got alot of courage for going all the way to afghanistan and iraq. i dont think that theres alot of people who have really got that type of courage to go find these so called people tha thave kille dour americans. these "people" dont even deserve to be called people the way that they took so many innocent americans lives. so lets get those terrorist assholes!!!11/16/2004 12:35:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"He is the inspiration of your life, your hero...Lord help us all. You just proved one of my earlier points. Looks like you are the one that needs a life. Em doesnt give a crap about you. He wouldnt give you a penny."
ugh!!! did this person say that she needed money from him ??? noo!!! and whats wrong with having and insporation in ur life thats succesful??? thats been through alot and maybe this person understands what eminem is coming from and this person did not say that she would want money from him this person sai that he is the insporation of someones life!!!! read it understand it and get over it eminem is and insporation of my life too. i would be blessed if i could be this succesfull. stop saying all this stuff about him! and how do u know that he doesnt give a crap about his fans? because he sings bad things about people???? he never said he hated his fans so get ur facts streight and get over it! eminem is the best and he is my insporatio too he is everything that i look up to and he is the reason why i think ill get through things that i go through because he went through the same things! and i am not asking him money so dont twist this story!!!!!!!!!! eminem is the best!!!! why dont you say something that true about him?! eminem is the best !!!! he is my insporation!11/16/2004 01:11:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|this is to abrittain-why dont yoo just answer these questions above ???? i realli wanna know these things like what do u really have against eminem???why is it so bad that he is an insporation of people's lifes???? theres nuthing wrong with it eminem is a great person great father great rapper everything that he has today he deserves it he loves his daughter and now he has two daughters because he adopted his daughters cousin.listin to eminems cd it is great and there is nuthing wrong that he is an insportaion of people's lifes!11/16/2004 08:55:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|11/17/2004 12:49:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|"Hey I voted for Bush. You are right. Lets nuke them 'till they glow and shoot them in the dark. terrorist cowards" - YEA KILL EM ALL!!!! Great attitude for someone who wasn't even born and raised in America. It is people like you that should never be in power but should be stuck at the front lines - holding hands with Bush. I thought we had already settled this mr or ms? abrittain. Iraq did not have WMDs and did not have ties to 9/11 - they have plenty of oil. Maybe you don't realize that Bush is a puppet and Cheney is a warmonger. Blowing the shit out of Iraq does not solve anything except the transfer of funds into Bush's rich friends' bank accounts. Do you realize that wars don't solve anything? They cost money and lives. What education level are you at? Why don't you pick up a book called The Prince by Niccolo Machiaveli and read it. You might learn a little something called POLITICS. Don't worry it's a short read and should be able to maintain your attention span. You might learn about the invisible chess game that is happening right now and YOU are just a pawn in it. Big weenie11/17/2004 08:56:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Hate to say it, but with Eminem's solid moral foundation... Haley's destined for porn11/17/2004 10:51:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|EMINEM 4 PRESIDENT!!! Luv Ruby11/17/2004 11:53:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|You: "Where do you think we would be if it wasnt for the civil war or World war one or two."
Me: dunno, maybe we would be a little more 'civil' with each other if we weren't all so eager to go to war.
Me: Wars never accomplish anything.
You: "That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard."
You: "You better thank God for War."
Me: That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
You: "this moronic idea that the war is to get Bush's friend rich. You accuse me of not knowing anything, but that statement shows the ignorance and stupidity that the far left have. You my friend are the sheep."
Me: And Enron was never happened right?
You: "What ever happen to teaching our kids good morals and maners."
Me: Dunno, maybe bad parenting? Parents relying on someone else to raise their kids?
You: "Why the attacks against me. My attention span."
Me: Because I've already explained this to you.11/17/2004 12:36:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"God had his people kill people in the bible days." The bible days? Jeez you sound like a warmonger. Glad you are not in power. Not sure what this statement is referring to but it seems like 'the bible days' have come back. The problem with religion is that it is taken literally by too many people who do not understand that it should be used as a guideline. Lets not live in the past, lets not lead the world into war, lets lead the world into peace. I am seriously surprised at your beleif in the positives of war.
"You have to be smart enough to know that without some of the wars that we have America would not be free." are we not still free? Did we need to go to war to be 'more free'?
"I wish my dad was more like Eminem. I would have really like to hear my dad sing about slitting my moms throat." Hmmm... well I would rather hear express his frustration than to have him actually do it. I guess you don't understand the alternatives to not expressing yourself. Would you rather him hold it inside, let it build up, and then actually do it? Eminem is for mature audiences because of the lyrics and because immature people take what he says literally. Although it seems there are a lot of people that take things literally and don't try to understand other perspectives because they are closed minded.11/17/2004 12:50:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"What does Enron have to do with Bush. Enlighten me please." Wake up dude.
I'll repost this link for you.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132368,00.html
Read the first paragraph. Better yet here:
"Lay, a Bush friend and campaign contributor, resigned under pressure after the giant energy company's collapse and has pleaded innocent to charges of fraud, conspiracy and false statements to banks."11/17/2004 03:01:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|"Hate to say it, but with Eminem's solid moral foundation... Haley's destined for porn"
get a life!!! eminem is a great dad he loves his daughter very muchand he takes care of her a lot of kids would want a ftaher likes this who loves her and takes care of her and he would do anything to protect her! so stop talking about him eminem i dont understand why you people talk bad things about him he is a perfact person he is so nice and he cares about his fans a lot!!!! yesturday he said that he is thanksfull to all of his fans who stick by his side no matter what. so who ever said that eminem doesnt care about his fans is wrong! haley is very lucky to have such a caring father. if you wanna say bad things about eminem just say the things that actually make sance oh thats right there is nuthing bad to say about him because he is awsome and he is the best! why dont you all get off his back and stop talking about him!11/17/2004 03:14:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|this is to abrittain: dont yoo dare syaing that eminem is a bad father!!!!! he is an awsome father he is alot better then most fathers out there! he loves his daughter and what he sings about is his choice and his problem not yours! and there is nuthing wrong the way he sings because all rappers do that and most of them have kids too. what he sings about is his choice and haily is very lucky to have a father like him!!! what do u want him to sing about ?????? flowers or dolls???? i dont even think his daughter listins to songs that say bad things about her mom and she probbonly knows how her dad feels about her mom! eminem is a great dad!! if he wants a good dad he would give his daughter to her mom who uses drugs and goes to jail and if he was a bad father he would not care about her but he loves her more then anything in this world she is everything he has! he is a great father!11/17/2004 03:14:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|this is to abrittain: dont yoo dare syaing that eminem is a bad father!!!!! he is an awsome father he is alot better then most fathers out there! he loves his daughter and what he sings about is his choice and his problem not yours! and there is nuthing wrong the way he sings because all rappers do that and most of them have kids too. what he sings about is his choice and haily is very lucky to have a father like him!!! what do u want him to sing about ?????? flowers or dolls???? i dont even think his daughter listins to songs that say bad things about her mom and she probbonly knows how her dad feels about her mom! eminem is a great dad!! if he wants a good dad he would give his daughter to her mom who uses drugs and goes to jail and if he was a bad father he would not care about her but he loves her more then anything in this world she is everything he has! he is a great father!11/17/2004 03:14:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|this is to abrittain: dont yoo dare syaing that eminem is a bad father!!!!! he is an awsome father he is alot better then most fathers out there! he loves his daughter and what he sings about is his choice and his problem not yours! and there is nuthing wrong the way he sings because all rappers do that and most of them have kids too. what he sings about is his choice and haily is very lucky to have a father like him!!! what do u want him to sing about ?????? flowers or dolls???? i dont even think his daughter listins to songs that say bad things about her mom and she probbonly knows how her dad feels about her mom! eminem is a great dad!! if he wants a good dad he would give his daughter to her mom who uses drugs and goes to jail and if he was a bad father he would not care about her but he loves her more then anything in this world she is everything he has! he is a great father!11/17/2004 03:22:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Big Weenie
by Eminem
I don't understand
Why are you being so mean?
You're mean mean man
[Chorus]
You are just jealous of me
Cuz you, you just can't do what I do
So instead of just admitting it
You walk around and say
All kinds of really mean things
About me cuz you're a meanie, a meanie
But it's only cuz you're
Just really jealous of me
Cuz I'm what you want to be
So you just look like an idiot
When you say these mean things
Cuz it's too easy to see
You're just a really big weenie, big weenie
i love eminem eminem u are really the best! everyone please stop talking these things about him because he is the best person ever!11/17/2004 04:41:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i think just lose it is eminem's best workl anyone who says otherwise F*** YOU11/17/2004 04:47:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|11/17/2004 05:09:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|to the comment above that will be deleted - do you kiss your mom with that mouth?11/18/2004 11:57:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|quote of the day:
You'll find that many of the things we hold to be true, are only that, from a certain point of view.11/19/2004 12:59:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Thank God that Saddam is out of power and so are his sons. Lets end the war, we have won. Lets bring our troops home. Civilians are still dying, they continue to die. There is still a reign of terror over there. The civilians keep dying. The war is still killing civilians even though Saddam and his sons will never be a threat to anyone ever again. The people have been through enough terror alone with Saddam in power. They want peace now. Please lets help them have peace. Lets stop the war. They have already lived through enough. As many as 10,000 civilians were killed in Iraq during 2003 and the toll is around 15,000 now. Please God stop the war - it is over. Falluja's April Civilian Toll is around 600 with over 300 of these being women and children. The Civilians did not do anything lets stop the war. Saddam and his sons are not in power anymore. We have won. Lets stop the war. The children of Iraq have been caught up in war for the third time in 20 years. The battle is over we Saddam is not in power and neither are his sons but the war continues to kill women and children like the girl on this page: http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
Lets stop the war.11/19/2004 01:40:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|bush...EAT SH**!!!! you are the worst thing that happened to THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...MY HOME! MY FAMILY! YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO F*** UP MY HOME COUNTRY AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT DIDNT DO SH**! lick MY FAT A**!!11/19/2004 02:35:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|With the news dominated by the war in Iraq, it is easy to forget the war that is being fought daily in the streets of America. Poverty is the ultimate crime for a society that is the richest on the planet. But it’s also a slow motion holocaust that is not sexy enough to attract the spotlight of mainstream media.11/19/2004 05:52:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|To abrittain your comment "You better thank God for War." is disgusting, inhumane, and if this is what you are teaching your children you should should be locked up in a mental ward. You are very quick to speak about dealing death and judgment when that is not up to you. Judgement will only be truly decided by God and God will judge you for your lack of respect for other peoples beliefs. Your beliefs are no better than anyone else's beliefs. Your disregard of human life is disturbing and you are raising your kids to follow in your murderous beliefs footsteps. You are no better than the Islamic fundamentalists who beleive that destroying America is God's will. The terrorist attacks on 9/11 was because of God's will - by people who took religion literal. God created life to be free out of love but you want to contain and destroy life out of fear and anger. You are psychologically dysfunctional and need to seek therapy for your anger and hatred for anyone outside of Christianity. That is exactly how Hitler felt about his beliefs. Hilter killed everyone that did not believe in what he does. Hitler killed for his beliefs. Your beliefs on war are no different. God will judge you when the time comes for your love of war and disregard for human life. At some point we will need to respect other peoples beliefs and not judge them for it, if we don't then we truly are doomed by our literal beliefs. But I do not fear for only God can judge me. I have faith that I will be in God's grace for my love of the innocent civilians that have been massacred, the women and the children that continue to die because of war. My love of love is greater than my fear of death.
I finally understand why the comment was made that religion is for the weak minded. You have never mentioned anything about the destruction of human lives and emotional drain that war causes. You only talk about the rightous cause of war from the religous point of view. But you seem to forget that as individuals we can have our own thoughts and point of view about death and destruction and the unnecesary loss of civilian lives outside of your literal book. I am not religious and now that I know what religous fundamentalism does psychologically to people I will be against it. Islamic fundamentalists are no worse than any other religous fundamentalist group. Judgement day will come when religion goes as far as to kill the world because of literalists and fundamentalism. In my religion God respects human life and allows each person to live their own life as an individual without fear or judgement. Peace out and peace in the Middle East.11/20/2004 12:05:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Abrittain let me take you back to the way things happened. We were attacked on 9/11 while Bush was in office. Bush knew that it was going to happen- there is proof that he knew, but he didn't respond to it. He could have stopped 6000 people from dying. Innocent American People were burned and crushed to death in the worst terrorist attack in our history. Almost 6000 American civilians - innocent people - were killed. Innocent people died because Bush didn't do anything when he had intelligence that it was going to happen. Bush allowed the attack to happen and he did not react to stop the terrorists that took 6000 lives. He is not a great leader. A great leader would have responded from the knowledge of such a planned attack. But Bush did not use the knowledge to save us. We need someone that will use knowldege to our benefit not to ignore it and let us die mercilessly like sheep. Bush didn't respond at all. How can we trust him when he could not stop an attack on our country which resulted in 6000 innocent people losing their lives? It is very sad we could not have had a better leader that would have been more responsive and proactive to prevent such a horrific attack on Americans. Unfortunatly we are in the same position three years later. But now WE have the knowledge that he did not try to stop the attack. We need to use the knowledge to get Bush out of office if we are to prevent another attack. We need to get a leader in office that will respond to an attack on our country. We need someone to react to knowlege of the planned terrorist attacks appropriately. We need someone else in office that will take and use knowledge of an attack to prevent it and save us instead of letting 6000 of us - our fellow Americans - perish in a known terrorist attack. Bush didn't react to stop the attack so we need to use the knowledge to save ourselves. We need to save ourselves from a leader that does not react when he knows that his people- our people - us - we - are in danger. Americans can only hope so but he let us down last time. If he cannot act on evidence to prevent a large scale terroist attack then he is not fit to be our leader. We need someone that we can trust to save our lives when he knows that we - us as a country - are in danger. Please Bush don't ignore information about known terrorist attacks. We die when you do. Please do not do that to us - when you ignore our safety. Your ignorance last time cost 6000 American lives on 9/11.11/20/2004 12:14:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Never forget public ignorance is the government's best friend.11/20/2004 12:20:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|-Unintelligent people always look for a scapegoat.
-The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
-Ignorance is not innocence, but sin.
-The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy.
-Ignorance is no excuse, it's the real thing.
-Ignorance is bold and knowledge reserved.
-Better to ask a question than to remain ignorant.
-There is one principle that can keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That is contempt prior to investigation.
-Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King Jr.
-The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
-Ignorance is not bliss -- ignorance is ignorance.
-Ignorance is never out of style. It was in fashion yesterday, it is the rage today and it will set the pace tomorrow.
-Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge.
-The opposite of love is not hate, the opposite of love is ignorance.
-If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
-A child-like man is not a man whose development has been arrested; on the contrary, he is a man who has given himself a chance of continuing to develop long after most adults have muffled themselves in the cocoon of middle-aged habit and convention.11/20/2004 09:16:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|i think eminem's new song is a huge wake up call for the american people who believe ignorance is bliss. and this is for all of you bush-supporting retards out there, bush has screwed himself and every president that will follow him by going into this war. you can't get out of this war by winning because there's no way to win, and you can't just leave because then you've got a bunch of angry iraqis thinking you abandoned them, in other words we're fucked!
one of the first rules of war is to know your enemy and let me tell you something, we know jack shit about what these terrorists are capable of, only that they are willing to sacrifice themselves and innocent people to accomplish their goals, now does that sound like the kind of war you can win with conventional tactics? no. you can't fight an enemy you can't see.
and eminem's right, we've got our own battles to fight on our own soil, and as an american nationalist i think its the governments job to make life better for the citizens in your own country before going off and liberating a bunch of others. we've got poverty and homelessness right here in the US of A but bush is wasting cash on fighting terrorists in their backyard when you should just make sure they don't come over here.
and as for our troops, i feel bad that they are duty bound to protect another nation instead of their own because their commander in chief is a jackass, way to go eminem!11/22/2004 10:26:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Eminem is the greatest!!!! Ilovehimsomuch! He's my daddy! Stop talking bad about my daddy! He's gonna buy me a mockingbird!
Lalalalala.
-Haven't had one of these incoherent babbling posts in a while, I kinda missed em, so here.11/22/2004 10:42:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|did You know that Bush described eminem as the worst threat to children since Polio? Bush is an absolute disgrace, and i ain't even a Eminem fan. He isn't a threat to us as teenagers or children, he is an inspiration to all of us trying to strive through our somehwat hideous to glorious, from stressful to stress free lives. He gives me and many others on the same train of thought as me the ability to speak out against the men and women who are wrongly governing the world, to warp our minds as the next generation! WELL DONE EMINEM! You've done us all a favour and you definately have the world's respect! Peace!11/22/2004 10:45:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|abrittain said...
"Hey I voted for Bush. You are right. Lets nuke them 'till they glow and shoot them in the dark. terrorist cowards"
"But I put God first. I live my life to serve God now and I have never been so happy and full of Joy."
Hypocrite-
n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold
[syn: dissembler, phony, phoney, pretender]11/22/2004 06:23:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem is the best insporation in anyone's life he is trully the best! keep on rocking eminem and always feel free to say ur opinion! eminem is the greatest and if bush doesnt like him then i dont like bush! i never did like bush i think bush is a bad insporation to children not eminem. eminem is a great insporation and he is my insporation! i love eminem!11/23/2004 10:14:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|11/23/2004 10:30:00 AM|W|P| Jon Fortt|W|P|You might be unaware, but it's illegal here to threaten the president (and even an implied threat could get you investigated). For your own good, and that of other blog posters here, I've removed your comment. Sorry.11/24/2004 06:23:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I think Bush is the best president we've had yet.Im glad to see eminem is expressing his opinion about his veiws on the whole thing but im sorry to see how harsh his words are, me and my cuzin used to love the guy and the way his attitude towards everything was, but after that...lets just say someone can ruin theyre career by putting out HARSH lyrics towards someone who MILLIONS love and ONLY thousands hate.
BUSH ROCKS!!!!!!
Deborah Collins11/24/2004 10:46:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Bush doesn't rock, he's as dumb as a rock. How does it feel to believe in someone so dumb?11/24/2004 11:01:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|From Bush: "We will build infrastructure by awarding more contracts to foreign investors. Giving control of the economy to foreign companies is one sure fire way to win over Iraqis. Just this week Victoria's
Secret opened up the first crotchless Burqa shop in Karbala. We will increase oil production. Iraq already made 6 billion in oil revenues this year. With our initial investment of 87 billion, plus 25
billion more, my math skills tell me this whole operation's been a winner."11/24/2004 11:02:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|"The US will not occupy Iraq. We're just staying there with our troops and controlling things. But not indefinitely, just for this year, next year and a while after that." - Bush11/25/2004 12:49:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Reading this all I can say is your country is divided......so what if Eminem raps about your president, you think thats critism.....if he's so great why can't this guy go infront of British, Canadian, German politicians, because other politicians world wide have it out for this guy.....go North of your borders, or better yet come to the U.K. for a bit and just see the world view of Goerge Bush....he's seen as a imbicile and a terrorist....and it reflects on your people, anti-americanism is extremely high....not all deserved, I might add, leave your country step oustide it, and see whats really going on and what the world is thinking, your news stations are full of lies.....back to Eminem, if he wants to frustrated with your President so be it, he's a guy singing some songs at the end of the day11/27/2004 09:18:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I like eminem, this song does not bother me. I am neither a bush or kerry fan. But you need to back your president, he knows better because we might think we know but we dont know crap when it comes to threats on our country. For every one that is against this war just remember your here today because of these soldiers. That are dying for you to bitch about your president and for rappers to sing these songs, and actors that think they know best (wht because your on tv) no college degree just an ACTOR/RAPPER. WE HAVE TO UNITE OR WHAT WILL WE BECOME AS A NATION. I think its sad that we are losing little boys/girls in this war- the havent enen lived!!!!!!! And all we could do is bitch!!!!!!11/29/2004 08:35:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|utter respect for eminem. this really shows he's not scared to express himself. really sad to see so much IGNORANCE IN AMERICA. you people need to start questioning what is happening and why. don't trust your lousy capitalistic news networks and newspapers. browse the web and use your bloody head. wake up before it's too late. america is going down and the sooner you realise this the sooner you might be able to save it.11/29/2004 01:41:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Regarding the anonymous person who entered their thought at 5:15 am, towards the begining of the comment section... WOW! You may be the most self-absorbed person ever. First of all, Bush did not go after the terrorist groups. His first recourse in the war was to go after SADDAM, not Bin Ladden. When he made this decision his head must have been up his a$$. Either that or he was only thinking about himself and benefits of this major oil country. You are a disgrace and good ridance to you being an Eminem fan, i'm sure he doesnt want you as a fan anyways. Its interesting how racial your entry was and i find it amusing that in Eminems video, he showed RACIST America following Bush. Your idiodic reply just proved exactly what Marshall was talking about. Furthermore, Bush was handed down everything. He never had to work for what he now has. Unlike Marshall, Bush didn't have to struggle to become a disrespected figure in society today... His father did that for him. Do us all a favor, look in the mirror sometime... not in vainity but in realization. You are no better than anyone lower class and upper class combined. In fact, you being so insulting only degrades yourself to a much lower ranking. You disgust me. And the funny thing is im only in 6th grade and i can see how blind you are to many aspects of politics, the world today, and common courtesy. _Hannah_12/02/2004 01:51:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|To Abrittain, I learn the big words by listening to my parents and gramma cookie. But, even so... No one can go as far to say that Bush isn't disrespected. He may have won the popular vote but that isn't ALL of America. Half the nation doesn't even vote because they disagree with the way our country is run. And there is also an overwhelming amount of people who do disrespect Bush that don't belong to the USA. My sister goes to high school with foreign exchanged students who tell her that most Europens have bad things to say about America because of the war. And i asked her, if they hate us so much then why do they come here? She said "they wanted to see exactly how bad it was for their selves." Thats besides the point, Bush is very much disrespected. But there is that with every president. They can't please everyone, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thats how it always has been and always will be. Thats what makes the world go round. _Hannah_12/02/2004 10:38:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Somehow people think the war on terrorism is the same as the war in Iraq. Come on people, get a clue. Think about the difference between terrorists and Iraq. Iraq is a country where the main commodity is OIL. Bush is a OIL COWBOY from Texas. Terrorists do not live at specific location because TERRORISTS ARE WORLDWIDE NOT JUST IN IRAQ. We have our own terrorists as well- remember Timothy Mcveigh and the Oklahoma City bombing? Does that mean that our country needs to go to war with Oklahoma City because they have terrorists? Think about it people, use your brain and don't just listen to some puppet in power feeding you a bunch of crap and then you just regurgitate it. Bush won because he played dirty and broke the laws of the constitution stating that religion will be separate from state. He won NOT because of the war on terrorism, he won because of his firm religious beliefs that the other half of the country now is FORCED TO LIVE WITH. So much for freedom of religion...12/03/2004 09:18:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|bush only got so many votes this year because everyone voted kerrygot a lot of votes too so if you think everyone loves bush think again half th country doesnt like bush and half does all new england voted for kerry. california wanted kerry and so on. i dont like bush because we are in iraq and he says we are there to find the terrorists and the terrorists that had something to do with 9/11 then why r we in iraq i think we r there for oil too ot only for oil but oil has to do something with it because he chose a country with a lot of oil and not afganastan we should be in afganastan not iraq. a lot of other countries dont look up to us like they used to. all countries used to think america is the best and strongest place to live they used to look up to america they still do but not as much as they used to. also minum wage is low and so on i really dont understand why bush won again. but there is nuthing we can do about it.12/03/2004 09:21:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|hey everyone! i think all of you have to buy eminem's new cd because if you have something to say about him you should get to know him better and his cd is the best it is really good and he doesnt sing anything bad. his cd encore is a really good present for your children, friends, relatives and its a great present for christmas all teenagers would love it and most grown ups. encore in stores now buy it =)12/03/2004 01:45:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Bush broke the laws of the constitution stating that religion will be separate from state.12/04/2004 12:15:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I think that eminem is one of the greatest rappers to have lived. Im glad that he has been able to conivince some bush lovers to realize that he screwed up the entire world.BUSH HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING! im glad that eminem came up with this song!this is my fav part of the song..." Maybe we can reach al-Qaida through my speech. Let the president answer a higher anarchy. Strap him with AK-47, let him impress daddy that way." bush is scared out of his a*s to go to war himself, do u know why????? cuz he knows when he gets there, every brave soldier wont be protecting hes ass there going to kill him, in an instance. well thats all ive got to say right now....ty
p.s. BUCK FUSH!HAHA12/04/2004 12:15:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I think that eminem is one of the greatest rappers to have lived. Im glad that he has been able to conivince some bush lovers to realize that he screwed up the entire world.BUSH HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING! im glad that eminem came up with this song!this is my fav part of the song..." Maybe we can reach al-Qaida through my speech. Let the president answer a higher anarchy. Strap him with AK-47, let him impress daddy that way." bush is scared out of his a*s to go to war himself, do u know why????? cuz he knows when he gets there, every brave soldier wont be protecting hes ass there going to kill him, in an instance. well thats all ive got to say right now....ty
p.s. BUCK FUSH!HAHA GOD BLESS AMERICA!12/05/2004 03:24:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i agree with the comment above eminem is the best rapper ever and he said exacly whats been happining and bush is not doing a good job. he is just saying the trueth eminem is the best12/05/2004 03:24:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i agree with the comment above eminem is the best rapper ever and he said exacly whats been happining and bush is not doing a good job. he is just saying the trueth eminem is the best12/05/2004 05:13:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I'm torn. I really like Eminem a lot. He's so cleverly verbose in his music (and yet strangely inept at speaking his mind in interviews and such) and I love his albums. But I just don't really get this song. I hate it when artists try to get political. I mean, it's one thing if they are trying to encourage people to think about issues, asking questions rather than giving answers that no one asked for. And this song, it doesn't really legitimize itself. "F**k Bush" isn't really an intelligent comment. There's some name-calling and accusations, but no real substance. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really political and couldn't really care less, but this song just left me thinking, "Okay...but why?" You all have answered this with your own opinions so I don't expect an actual answer, but just for future reference, it's not really worth it to write songs like that I think. It wasn't even that popular. So basically you've got a song that says little of importance and doesn't bring in the sales either.
On another note, kudos to Slim Shady for his song "Like Toy Soldiers." I've followed the rap wars, but could somebody tell me please, what actually started this? I mean, there's got to be more than just record sales as motivation, because it's way to serious for that.12/06/2004 02:24:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem rocks, people may think just because he's a rapper makes him bad or something. i agree that bush sucks and so do all my friends i love the boondocks who make fun of bush in a way that even bush supporters may enjoy on occasions.12/06/2004 04:10:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|ok..ummmm the song "like toy soldiers" is a great song.i actually undersatnd his reasoning for writing this song....i think its bout all the beef thats been goin on between all the rapperss. Well the first fight was between 50 n ja....n then ja said something about hailie ....n then eminem got involved with it. So ya...i still think that "mosh" is a great song...ok bye people!!12/06/2004 11:02:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Question for you Bush supporters:
Why do you think or feel that the war in Iraq is justified?12/08/2004 08:14:00 AM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|Finally someone I agree with 100%...
Anonymous said...
"Okay...but why?"
-Simple. Had Bush lost the election, Em would've taken credit. He attacks the hot topic of the moment (as i've said in previous posts)
"I am a fan of Eminem's music. Unfortunately, I've lost respect for him with this song. Eminem has a knack for attacking whatever the 'hot issue' is at the time to draw attention to himself. In the past, its been Boy Bands, Britney, Christina, Columbine, Everlast, Insane Clown Posse, Fred Durst... and most recently Michael Jackson.
Now its George Bush. Why not use an election to sell more records?"
It wasn't even that popular. So basically you've got a song that says little of importance and doesn't bring in the sales either.
-I have a theory on this. His label rushed out this song in the 9th inning... probably realizing that Mosh had absolutely no credibility after Nov. 2. So, they throw together some animation in a video, and rush the single release a week before the election. (which is far too late to have any impact, too late to register new voters, etc) Then Bush wins, and the song is now useless.12/08/2004 01:00:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|For all you morons that love to be negative and talk crap about Eminem and can't really explain why Bush is good for the entire nation:
Why do you think or feel that the war in Iraq is justified?
I mean isn't that what the song is about???? Or are you even able to understand Eminems point of view? Do you have problems interpreting art? Is it possible for you to think about things for yourself? I would hope that Bush supporters could explain why instead of trying to avoid the issue and downtalk someone expressing their point of view. But maybe Bush supporters have a closed mind and can't understand things for themselves and that is why they are soooo dependent on religion to tell them right and wrong. Don't use it as a crutch for living, use it to enhance your life.12/08/2004 01:14:00 PM|W|P| marcomarco|W|P|I voted for Kerry, you tool. But not because Eminem told me to.
You're missing the point, which doesn't suprise me. I'll make it simple:
1. Bush is a moron.
2. Eminem see's people hating Bush.
3. Eminem makes a song, a video, sells some albums
4. Morons like you follow him like sheep.
Eminem is talented, you are a farm animal.
That is all.12/08/2004 06:22:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|toy soilders is about the beefs in hip hop and how eminem inharited 50's beef with ja and 50 inharited eminems beef with source magazine person...and how it got too far because ja said something bad about eminems daughter and eminem got realli mad and everything became bad and eminem wants to stop all this before it geos any further because he doesnt want any of his people dieing.. i love this song i think its really good and eminem is really talanted. and mosh is a good song because its sounds good and this is a big one for all u who dont wanna see the truth:::: eminem is saying the true things that happaned since bush has been a president....so people u dont got nuthin bad to say about the song becauce its a good song12/08/2004 06:26:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|eminem isnt just doing it for the money he just said how he feels about our president and thats what he has been doing since day one saying how he feels. also eminem felt that he would be letting a lot of people down if he didnt say anything quate: "i felt like i would be letting alot of people down if i did not come out and speek about how i felt" -eminem.....thats what he said about mosh.if you cant think of a good reason to say something bad about this song then dont because this song is the best there is nothing bad about it its the truth and people need to open their eyes and look at the truth
eminem is the greatest rapper ever. and his album is sooo good =)12/08/2004 07:29:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|To abrittain and marcopolo, you two just don't get it do you? I asked a specific question that neither one of you could answer. Here, I'll post it a third time and hopefully you will respond with a real answer:
Why do you think or feel that the war in Iraq is justified? Can you even answer it? Again that is what the song is about. Do you get it or do I need to keep asking a question that neither one of you can give an answer on? Here, I'll ask it again in case you forgot:
Why do you think or feel that the war in Iraq is justified?12/08/2004 07:48:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|marcopolo said: "Eminem has a knack for attacking whatever the 'hot issue' is at the time to draw attention to himself. In the past, its been Boy Bands, Britney, Christina, Columbine, Everlast, Insane Clown Posse, Fred Durst... and most recently Michael Jackson. Now its George Bush. Why not use an election to sell more records?"
Do you really think he needs to talk about Bush to sell more records? C'mon. He made a song because he wanted to express himself and if you lost respect for him for expressing how he feels then good, he doesn't need people like you as fans.
Yea, 'hot issue' to you is meaningless and you are clueless if you think 'hot issues' are about "Boy Bands, Britney, Christina, Columbine, Everlast, Insane Clown Posse, Fred Durst... and most recently Michael Jackson." Did your parents teach you that those are 'hot topics'? Who's the sheep?
Em brings up a point that you are clueless to in the song he says "we got our own battles to fight on our soil". Do you even know why he doesen't like Bush? No, it's not because Bush is a 'hot issue'. If you are able to consider someone else's perspective he doesn't like Bush because the monkey of a leader that we have can't speak, chokes on pretzels, and doesn't give a shit about the middle or lower class. BUSH'S 'hot topic' is getting richer along with his friends while separating themselves from the middle and lower class. Get it?12/08/2004 09:44:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|For everyone that read this: "For all you morons that love to be negative and talk crap about Eminem" and got offended. Why were you offended? Are you a moron or do you love to be negative and talk crap about Eminem?12/08/2004 10:06:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|abrittain you wrote : "To marcomarco I agree with you. You are exactly right. (maybe not the Bush Moron thing but thats ok, with both have our own opinions)". -This is where you stop thinking for yourself and just 'agree' and go along with other people's 'opinions'. Don't you have your own perspective on this? Or do you just jump on the bandwagon when someone bad mouths Em?
"I bet he would have made a song about Kerry if it would have been switched around." -Well, if he did it wouldn't have been a song about war since Kerry did not take us to war on false evidence of WMDs. You still don't get the purpose of the song. It is amazing how much shit people can talk when they don't even know what they are talking about.
"Its all about the money and what is popular at the time." -Yea, war is popular and it makes Bush and his friends rich. Or maybe it's the war is popular with Em and he stands to get rich off of it. Which is more reasonable? Well, Im sure we can all think for ourselves and determin Em is not really making money from the war. So you know the answer.
"But that song was to much. Matter of fact if you really think about it. It realy seems like he just used all the emotion and hate during the race for presidency turned it into a song and hoped to sell because of it..just like marcomarco said." -What was too much? Too much for who? Just like marcomarco said?
-Here's your homework to start thinking for yourself:
1. Listen to the song and understand his point of view.
2. Explain what was too much.
3. Answer too much for who.
Did the phrase "Fuck Bush" offend you? Then say so and why. Although it is only two words of the song you will be on the path to actually thinking for yourself and understanding his point of view.
Until people stop bad mouthing Em, and the song, do your homework and explain yourself before you write a bunch of gibbersh that has no meaning.12/08/2004 10:54:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|If you don't understand why this song, or for that matter the tone of the new album, I've been following Em throughout his 'mainstream' career. Since he first became popular he has been in the media as a 'violent' person. With Kim, fights, enemies, etc. To me, it stems from not having a father figure to look up to. He has gone through anger management classes to help him from getting into bad situations. Well you can't just turn off emotions - especially his if you really understand from where and how he came to be. I understand it as he was able stop directing his emotions physically and let it come out creatively in his music. That is why the tone of the Encore album is the way it is. After I watched the video I don't know why that song was stuck in my head for weeks. I memorized it, as well as every aspect of the video - the imagery and the meaning of the imagery. I don't remember a song having an impact on me like that. After weeks of trying to understand why people still support Bush along with understanding this song I came up with a question which I've posted a question a few times already for anyone who supports Bush or does not like this song that I do not understand:
Why do you think or feel that the war in Iraq is justified?10/21/2004 07:30:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|Did you wonder whether George W. Bush would face a critical media sendup that might counterbalance what John Kerry will face from Sinclair Broadcasting Company on Friday? You have your answer, from an unlikely pair: the New York Times Magazine and Rev. Pat Robertson.
First, Pat Robertson. The Christian Coalition and 700 Club founder said in a CNN interview Tuesday night that he urged Bush on the eve of the Iraq war to prepare the American people for the likelihood of casualties. Robertson says Bush told him, “Oh no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” More than 1,100 U.S. troops have been killed and more than 8,000 wounded.
The White House is denying Bush ever said that about casualties, though it admits that Bush met with Robertson on the eve of the war.
A couple of weird things about this: First, why would Pat Robertson lie about the president? Robertson remains an ardent Bush supporter, one of the standard-bearers of the religious right, and thus a key marshal of Bush’s base. He’s the polar opposite of the person you’d expect to make up a smear story about Bush.
But the more puzzling question is, why would Robertson open his mouth at all? Even if it’s true that Bush told him there wouldn’t be any casualties, why would Robertson say so on national television, and say the president was:
“the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life. … You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces. … I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world. … And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.”
The news of the Robertson comment comes along with a New York Times Magazine piece by Ron Suskind headlined “Without a Doubt” that basically skewers Bush as a president who relies on faith and instincts to the exclusion of reason and factual evidence.
This is basically the same charge that Robertson levels against Bush: That this president, whose defining trait might well be his assuredness when facing a chaotic world, is not just self-assured. He has a degree of confidence that might be delusional.
In one of the piece’s most shocking exchanges, Bush shows both his lack of knowledge of international affairs, and his stubbornness:
“In the Oval Office in December 2002, the president met with a few ranking senators and members of the House, both Republicans and Democrats. In those days, there were high hopes that the United States-sponsored ‘road map’ for the Israelis and Palestinians would be a pathway to peace, and the discussion that wintry day was, in part, about countries providing peacekeeping forces in the region. The problem, everyone agreed, was that a number of European countries, like France and Germany, had armies that were not trusted by either the Israelis or Palestinians. One congressman -- the Hungarian-born Tom Lantos, a Democrat from California and the only Holocaust survivor in Congress -- mentioned that the Scandinavian countries were viewed more positively. Lantos went on to describe for the president how the Swedish Army might be an ideal candidate to anchor a small peacekeeping force on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Sweden has a well-trained force of about 25,000. The president looked at him appraisingly, several people in the room recall.
‘I don't know why you're talking about Sweden,’ Bush said. ‘They're the neutral one. They don't have an army.’
Lantos paused, a little shocked, and offered a gentlemanly reply: ‘Mr. President, you may have thought that I said Switzerland. They're the ones that are historically neutral, without an army.’ Then Lantos mentioned, in a gracious aside, that the Swiss do have a tough national guard to protect the country in the event of invasion.
Bush held to his view. ‘No, no, it's Sweden that has no army.’
The room went silent, until someone changed the subject.
A few weeks later, members of Congress and their spouses gathered with administration officials and other dignitaries for the White House Christmas party. The president saw Lantos and grabbed him by the shoulder. ‘You were right,’ he said, with bonhomie. ‘Sweden does have an army.’”|W|P|109836896920195727|W|P|Bush skewered by Pat Robertson on CNN and Ron Suskind in the New York Times Magazine: Is the president's faith delusional?|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/19/2004 02:14:00 PM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|Over the weekend, I got a look at a couple of the shirts I designed on the Cross blogstore at CafePress. (I designed the logo myself.)
I bought the "Determination" men's sleeveless workout shirt, which has Philippians 3:13-14 on back (including, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus"); and the "How would Jesus vote?" women's shirt.
CafePress, it turns out, does a great job. The product looks just like a quality t-shirt you'd buy at any store, and the fabric has a good, thick feel. I made a couple of design tweaks based on what I saw in the finished product; and I can say with confidence that if you want to get your own Cross gear (or a coffee mug or fridge magnet), or if you want to create your own customized apparel for fun, CafePress is a good way to go.
And no, they didn't pay me to say that.|W|P|109822063776368759|W|P|Check out the Cross blogstore ... a fun little experiment.|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com11/20/2004 09:21:00 PM|W|P| Alex Araujo|W|P|I am so glad to know of an evangelical that is able to think outside Republican party lines. I am embarrassed how easily a political strategist manipulated the prevailing un-informed evangelical masses to secure a political election victory. It is a pity that we evangelicals look more and more like merely another interest group fighting for advantage over competing groups in American politics. Unless we are able to stand objectively outside the competing interest groups, we will (a) only be preaching to the choir, since others will discount our arguments as self-serving,(b) will seek to manipulate the political process for our group biases, and conversely, (c) will be manipulated by the sly foxes that run political campaigns.
I used to participate in 'Sojournes' email forum, but was disappointed when they swang to a left-biased position, unabashedly campaigning against the other side. I wrote several times voicing my concern that we Christians needed an objective forum in which to engage one another in honest discussion, but got no reply.
Thanks for listening.10/18/2004 08:57:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|At some point we should talk more about stem cell research, the moral implications, and Christian positions. But until then, check out this brilliant L.A. Times piece that explains the promises and risks of stem cell research.
Then we can start thinking about what this means for presidential politics. Is it ever okay to use an embryo for life-saving research? Where should a responsible society draw the line?|W|P|109811502596300853|W|P|Stem cell research and moral issues in the presidential election: Bush and Kerry differ |W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/18/2004 09:26:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|that was a good article.
I'm thinking of a potential sci-fi story. Imagine a whole generation of people who received stem cell boosts for their diseases and suddenly began to grow extra lungs, extra hearts, even an extra head, an everlasting mutation as payment for...
ah nevermind.10/19/2004 09:57:00 AM|W|P| BenandJess|W|P|I sure hope God intends on returning soon to end this whole mess.
On one side of the issue, folks think they can play God by dissecting the would-be bodies of little boys and girls. And on the other side, folks think God has deputized them to decide when a soul gets assigned to a body. Both views stink of pride.10/19/2004 10:25:00 AM|W|P| David Tieche|W|P|I found an interesting interview with the director of the Center for Bioethics and Culture, Wesley J. Smith in Christianity Today. I don't know anything about Smith or his position, or his center, but he makes some interesting observations, especially about how language and terms are confusing and misleading, and how money can buy laws. Or recalls. We Californians certainly know that. Here is the link:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/133/22.0.html1/18/2005 08:50:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Stem Cell research is possibly one of the technological advancements with most potential of the 21st century. Why should God be able to "play God" when we can't?10/12/2004 03:51:00 PM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|If the election were today, George Bush would beat John Kerry by five electoral votes. It's going to be a crazy three weeks!|W|P|109762146414247665|W|P|Electoral vote predictor map gives the polling edge to Bush over Kerry heading into the third and final debate|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/12/2004 08:50:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|Sojourners Magazine has an interesting piece about how evangelicals outside the United States largely oppose the war in Iraq.
Author Tom Sine has this noteworthy observation:
Part of what has changed the character of American evangelicalism is that leaders of the Religious Right—such as Jerry Falwell, Tim LaHaye, Pat Robertson, and James Dobson—took over leadership from more moderate evangelicals in the 1980s. When they did so, they fundamentally redefined the key issues in the United States and what the response of the evangelical faithful should be to these issues.
I have not found anything comparable to the Religious Right anywhere else on the planet. It is an American anomaly. This partially explains the growing divide in political opinion between American evangelicals and their cousins in the Commonwealth.
I encourage readers of all political stripes to take a look at this piece, and give it some thought. We all call ourselves Christians, everywhere in the world. Why is it, then, that our approaches to war are so different? How much are our positions political and cultural, how much are they religious?|W|P|109759621995197348|W|P|Evangelical Christians and the Iraq war: Unilateral action isn't as popular among God followers in Europe, elsewhere in the globe|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com1/22/2005 09:14:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I call myself a Christian and I have serious "issues" with the attitudes of Christians in the United States. I know that I am supposed to study The Bible and follow the scriptures in terms of how to live my life. My problem is that when I study "The Bible" I find that what this current administration is engaging in is actually in opposition to biblical principles. My understanding is that we are to win souls to Christ through our love. We are supposed to assist the poor, not find new and inventive ways to continue oppressing the poor and adding the middle class to that category. I feel very isolated in my walk in the United States and have not found many Christians who believe as I do. I do wonder how many souls will be lost because of what they are observing from "Christians" in the United States of America...2/04/2005 08:33:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|My experience dealing with Christians in Canada and the US also bears a difference. The problem is not a difference in beliefs as much as it is the facts and news that they base their opinions on.
In Canada and many European countries, they only have a very liberal press that presents a one-sided view. My father-in-law experienced this too when a very conservative, born-again Christian in Holland criticized him soundly for the war in Iraq, having watched Farenheit 9/11 - and accepting it as fact and refusing even to hear the truth presented by liberals who support Michael Moore's political leanings but were too honest to let the mischaracterizations and omissions stand.
The primary influencer of the American Christian right is not Robertson, Dobson, or Falwell but the availability of news and issues that are presented without a left-leaning political slant.
The other difference is that Americans tend to be more ideological which forces us into action despite the moral struggles. Europe tends to be less idealogical which often causes it to struggle when difficult actions involving serious moral questions are presented. The lines are blurred.
The problem with Europe and its paralysis by analysis is that while it squirms under the distaste of having to take actions, particularly military ones, their opponents that they need to meet on the battlefield grow stronger. This is one of the reasons why the UN didn't want to use the term "genocide" with Sudan because they would be forced by their own charter to act.
If Europe stood with America and said that this world will longer tolerate dictators who oppress their people and commit genocide on their people, a lot of positive change would occur in this world under that threat without the Western world having to fire a single shot.2/20/2005 11:12:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Anonymous Canadian;
I am an Evangelical Christian who disagrees with several points the above writer makes about Canada and Europe. First, the writer said that in Canada, we have only a very liberal media and that because of it, we are not as informed as you are in the U.S. about the reasons for going to war in Iraq.
The truth of the matter is that most Canadians watch as much American TV (news and commentators) as they do their own. Second, our magazine stands have more American content than Canadian. And third, our newspapers are full of American content. We are totally aware of the reasons given by your administration and the Republican party for the American invasion of Iraq, and many of us paid a great deal of attention to your election campaigns and results. The reason is obvious, it affects each Canadian immensely. About 80% of our trade is with the U.S. On the other hand, I am not sure Americans realize it, but you do more trade with Canada than with Japan, England and France combined! Perhaps you should pay us more heed too.
It is true that Canada’s administration did not have to gain public support for a highly controversial war, and therefore, did not have to flood the airwaves with jingoistic jargon to sway its people. So if the above writer is the kind of person who judges through emotion (and I believe she/he is), then she/he may have been very disappointed when our news media didn’t do the same thing. But that doesn’t mean that our media is Liberal or one sided. The only thing it means is that our media is less biased than yours. In other words, we get both sides of the argument, contrary to her/his comment.
Second, I am appalled at some of the statements made by the writer about Europe and Canada. The writer said, “If Europe stood with America and said that this world will [no] longer tolerate dictators who oppress their people and commit genocide on their people, a lot of positive change would occur in this world under that threat without the Western world having to fire a single shot.” Well that may sound nice, and I agree that we all should get together on this, but I’d change the statement around completely. I’d say that if the United States would stop supporting dictators and join with the rest of the Western world then we might be able to do just what was mentioned. Here is my reason:
No other nation in modern history has supported more dictators than the U.S! Hadn’t the mentioned writer heard about the Shaw of Iran and the U.S. connection? Did she/he not know that SADDAM HUSSEIN was supported by the U.S. before he invaded Kuwait, even though his viciousness and use of chemical weapons, was known. Did she/he not know that the U.S. was the country that provided the materials for Saddam’s weaponry against Iran, including the chemical ones! Did he/she not know that Noriega was installed and supported by the U.S. until he became a hindrance to American policies in the region (I bet she/he only heard that it was a matter of drug smuggling, right?). I could go on and on about this, but I think my point has been made.
With respect to morality: Canada does not claim, as does the United States, that 80% of its citizenry are "born Again" Christians. However, the proof of a country's morality must lie in some facts, not just rhetoric. Let’s look at some of the facts. Some of the world’s most “un-Christian” nations (e.g. Japan) have less crime and are far safer to live in than the U.S. The same is true of Canada. In Canada, we have less than 1/10th the per capita murder rate of the U.S., and the same can be said for many other issues in which morality plays a huge part. I think that before you criticize another nation, you should look at your own.
Regarding the war in Iraq let me put a couple of facts before you. Perhaps it may help her/him understand why the majority of Canadians and Europeans did not agree with the invasion. First, Iraq was surrounded by American troops prior to the invasion. Others may not agree with me, but I believe that this was good because the threat of invasion forced Saddam to give the U.N. weapon inspectors complete access to every facility in Iraq. However, having achieved this meant that there was no need to pursue the invasion. That is, not if the REAL reason for invasion was WMDs! The search for WMDs could have progressed without any bloodshed at all. Both the chief inspector and the U.N. begged Bush to hold off until they could complete their job, but Bush refused to listen.
If Bush had allowed them to complete their job, there would never have been a war. If Bush had allowed them to complete their job, not a single American soldier would have lost their life. If Bush had allowed them to complete their job, the slaughter of an estimated 100,000 innocent Iraqis (through bombing etc) would never have taken place. Do I have to remind anyone, particularly Christians, that God loved these people just as much as He does us?
Another fact, maintaining a presence around Iraq, instead of invading, would have cost the American citizen only a fraction of what the war did.
But there is another even more important issue that seems to have been forgotten. There wasn’t any immediate threat to the U.S. from Iraq before the U.S. invasion! None of the terrorists involved in 9/11 came from Iraq, and it was known that Saddam didn’t have a connection with Al Qaeda even though the Bush administration tried its hardest to make one. There was just too much evidence to the contrary. This should make people wonder what the real motive for the war was.
The real threat was from Ben Laden and his organization. The whole world supported the American effort in going after Ben Laden and Al Qaeda. Why did Bush take the focus off of him and pursue a non-threatening and far more costly project? There has to be a reason other than what has been stated by the American administration because, otherwise the excuses simply make no sense.
Perhaps now, the previous writer may understand the anger and the extremely harsh headlines that appeared in European papers asking how 59 million people could be so stupid after the re-election of Bush! Could it be that it is your media and not theirs that is totally one sided?
Regarding Fahrenheit 9/11: I have no doubt that Michael Moore presented facts in a way that backed up his own opinions. But let’s face reality; it isn’t only Liberals who use these methods! Rush Limbauh and other right wing supporters do the same. Moore did not present fallacies. He may have picked and chosen what he wanted, but his facts have been corroborated. You need to look at both sides of an issue before you can ever piece the truth together, and even then it may be impossible.
Thanks for hearing me out.2/26/2005 12:05:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|holla at a fellow Canadian. Ditto with what was written above.3/13/2005 02:17:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Wow.
I can't believe I stumbled across this website. I echo the blogger who said that he or she has felt alone often in his/her walk with God...I have wondered for some time now, are there any other Christians in all of America that understand that JESUS WASN'T A POLITICIAN!??? The Jesus I know came to love, came to live among the poor, came for the oppressed and the marginalized who aren't too proud or blinded by money to see the Truth. My Jesus was a radical, he was a revolutionary, and he was a peacemaker. I guess I shouldn't say was...he IS!!! To be honest the hippie ethos is closer to the Gospel than the self-rightous fire-and-brimstone doctrine spouted by George W. Bush. But nonetheless he is venerated almost as a god in the evangelical community. My parents call him "The Burning Bush." How sick is THAT???
Proof that American Christians are seriously delusional abounds just about everywhere else in the world. Because if they were right in their political leanings, you'd think that Christians across the globe would support them, right? Well, you would think. But I just got back from spending three months in India and I met dozens and dozens of the most God-fearing Jesus-like people I have ever encountered in my life...and not one of them had anything but negative words to say about George W. Bush and his America. It didn't matter if they were Indian, German, Swiss, British, Kiwi, Australian, Canadian, or Bangadeshi...the sentiment throughout the world seems to be quite unified. Americans are the only ones who seem to have not gotten the memo that GEORGE W. BUSH IS NOT JESUS!!! and WAR IS NOT A GOOD THING!!! and IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO TRY TO IMPOSE MORAL VALUES ON A NATION THAT DOESN'T KNOW JESUS (and who won't know him unless we SHOW him to them with our love!!!)!!! This is a tragedy beyond words...that this supposedly Christian nation is representing (and has represented since its conception in 1776) Jesus, precious Jesus, MY Jesus in the ways that it does. It's shameful. And it's sick. And we'll pay for it on judgment day, I can guarantee you that.
I must sound angry. Well, I am. That's the honest truth. I'm angry that my friends and peers at the secular university I attend have never been reached with the true gospel, and that not only have they not been reached with the Truth but they HAVE been reached with an impostor of the truth--a gospel of hate and violence and bigotry and self-righteous pride and legalism and hypocrisy that has the AUDACITY to declare itself representative of this Jesus that American Christians claim to serve. They are an unreached people group--but it is not due to underexposure to the True gospel (EVERYONE has heard about Jesus) but rather the overexposure to this gospel that is false. I am angry that when people find out I am a Christian they assume that I'm ignorant and closed-minded and racist and greedy and judgmental. I am angry that so many Christians I know have bought the lie and sold out for a faith that's based more on their own built-up sense of morality than on the Cross. I am angry because my Jesus who I love and serve, my Jesus who redeemed me and who wants to redeem the world if they would only let him has been re-crucified so many times by the people who claim to follow him. Did you know that Mahatma Gandhi wanted to become a Christian...until he visited an American church???
My heart is so heavy when I think of these things...I should not neglect to mention how many American Christians I have met who actually do get it. They are out there...it's just that their name has been ruined by all the rest. In any case this website is wonderfully refreshing to see and I am very encouraged by it.
Grace and Peace to you, Brothers and Sisters...
1st Cor. 14:1: Let love be your highest goal.3/18/2005 03:30:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I'm a Canadian Christian who says amen to Katie's comments, as well as the previous Canadian's comments regarding Bush, the invasion of Iraq, and the hardness of heart that too many Christians seem to have.3/18/2005 04:47:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Well said Katie!3/21/2005 04:46:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Guys, Gals, This entire religions the west practise come from Middle east and your all over there killing off your ancestors.... parasites will act out like this and only parasites! Another thing is that these so called bibles are all wrong.... freaking dumbies! The dinosaurs were here first not Adam and Eve, holy crappers you buncha brain washed monkeys! Get invovled with sprituallity, you can't go wrong! With organized religions you can go wrong and clash with all others!
Get real iq's and brains you parasites and take up spirituallity!
Doh!3/21/2005 04:36:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Just want to say that, though many of your words are true, it is howevever not entirely accurate. First off, war is not always a bad thing. If I know my scripture, several wars were not only instigated by Gods people, but supported by God as well. It is only when people choose to twist the words of the Bible to justify their actions that war becomes a crime, which is sadly becoming more and more common.
Furthermore, though kind actions are encouraged and should no doubt be the focus of every Christian, it is not what will keep you from hell. Only faith and salvation through JC does that. Nevertheless the bible does say to love and care for all around you, enemies and friends alike. So, if your views are different than others, don't bad mouth their actions and thereby get nothing done but a further detriment to your own character.
Instead pray for those you oppose, that God would lead them to a better course of action, and accept that if he does not, it is Gods will. Only by this way can anything of value be accomplished. If I have offended anyone of you, I must say I cannot be sorry. This is my belief, whether you share it or not and I only pray that God will be with you through however you face the rising issues in our society.
God Bless.3/21/2005 04:37:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Though I do agree with katies words whole heartedly.
*blogger from above4/08/2005 05:00:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|I am the Canadian blogger who previously commented on the invasion of Iraq by the Bush administration. I have waited quite some time before posting again as I wanted to give others a chance. Having done that, I’d like to jump in again. First, I’d like to correct an assumption that the writer of the article, immediately above made. He said, "Just want to say that, though many of your words are true, it is however not entirely accurate. First off, war is not always a bad thing."
I don't think anyone said that all wars were bad. We only referred to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. I even indicated that the American led war in Afghanistan was supported and justified. However, if the Bush administration was really interested in the security of the American people, why is it that they have put Ben Laden on the back burner? Ben Laden and his organization were, and still are, the only immediate outside threat to the U.S.
However, since the Bush administration, through incompetence (at the level of idiocy), invaded Iraq and created a hornet’s nest, the only thing the U.S and others can do is to try to straighten out the mess. In the meantime, let’s just hope that Bush and his compatriots in the administration aren’t so lame brained that they forget about Ben Laden, who threatens not only your country but all western civilization. And further, let’s hope they realize that they have angered, and unified, all those who are against western civilization with this unjustified war. And lastly, let’s hope they realize the precariousness situation they have created for our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who live in Islamic countries and who are trying to spread the gospel there.
There are several conclusions one can draw from the American experience. First, you shouldn’t choose a man for a job (President) without proper qualifications regardless of his claim to being a Christian. You need a wise man, not just a good man. You need someone who has concerns for every person in America, not just his buddies who are rich (Haliburton and Cheney).
If you do choose a Christian, then you need someone who understands that there is more in the Bible about taking care of the oppressed within your own, as well as other, societies than there is about getting rich. You need someone who realizes that material possessions are only gifts from God which are given to us to share with others, particularly the poor. Success is not how many material possessions you have above that of your neighbor; it is how you use those possessions (Matt 25) that will determine your real (eternal) success. If anyone disagrees with this, I’d suggest they read their Bible again. Christ never taught any particular economic system (capitalism etc). He never even taught democracy. He taught justice and righteousness and compassion for all. That is what love is all about. It isn’t just a warm fuzzy feeling you get when you look at your dream man or woman.
Regarding right-winged politics: I fully agree that dependency upon welfare does not give anyone a sense of pride or self worth, and I’m all for getting everyone off welfare. However, compassion for the poor doesn’t mean taking away welfare before helping them to become economically self-sufficient. Compassion for the poor isn’t taking away essential social infrastructures and replacing them with services provided by private enterprise whose foresight is hindered by “bottom line” blinders.
I believe this is some of what Katie was talking about. It seems that American, and to some extent, Canadian Evangelicals, have forgotten that abortion and homosexuality are not the only issues we have to deal with. Our whole infrastructure is breaking down right before our eyes, and neither right-winged nor left-winged political stances have all the answers, but our voting seems intent on one side only. This polarization is hurting America and Canada too. And Evangelicals are becoming part of the problem, not the solution. Is there a way we can change it? I think so, but it will take a change of attitude on the part of the majority of Christians. If we really want to be leaders then we will have to do something to return both the Republican and Democratic (in Canada: the Liberal and Conservative) parties to the original Christian intent of our founding fathers when they wrote the constitutions of our countries.
Daniel4/10/2005 02:27:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|May I correct myself? I mentioned that Christ didn't teach capitalism. That would depend on how one defines capitalism. If it is simply the right to private ownership of material wealth as opposed to state ownership, then yes, the bible does teach capitalism. Ultimately, however, it is God who owns everything and we are just given permission to hold things temporarily. Again, it is what we do with them in the eternal scheme of things that counts.
A friend who read my above posting asked, "How do we determine if someone is wise?" Good question!
Has the candidate been someone who has shown a high degree of intuition and understanding regarding the consequences of his actions. To determine this, look at the decisions he has made and the historic outcome of them. Are they good? Then he is wise! Are they consistently questionable? Then he isn't!
May God richly bless you...
Daniel10/10/2004 01:56:00 PM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|I think the second debate went pretty much as I predicted: George W. Bush came out swinging aggressively, to make up for his performance in the first debate. John Kerry held back so as not to seem like a bully. Bush labeled Kerry a liberal. Kerry said he won’t let his personal beliefs get in the way of policy.
The most interesting religion-tinged moment of the debate was the young woman’s question about abortion policy. Kerry said he’s Catholic and is personally pro-life, but feels that as a public servant he shouldn’t impose his religious beliefs on others. Bush said he won’t allow taxpayer money to be used to fund overseas programs that perform abortions. Bush’s statement wasn’t surprising, but I think Kerry’s might have given a few pro-life, multi-issue voters a reason to consider voting for him.
Since I think it would be a cop-out to call this a tie, I’m going to say Kerry edged Bush. Here’s why: Kerry didn’t hurt himself in the second debate, and his image and message were consistent with his first debate performance. In a campaign where Kerry is being accused of changing to suit his environment, consistency is key.
Also, Bush had a bit of a Cheney moment when he claimed that taxing the top 1 percent would hurt small business. Kerry used the Wall Street Journal to refute the claim, and pointed out that Bush counted himself as a small business three years ago because of little investments including one in a timber company. Bush said it was news to him that he owned a timber company, and said: "Need some wood?"
It turns out, Kerry's assertion is basically true (Factcheck.org). As you'll learn at that site, Kerry's facts had problems, too: he overstated the number of jobs lost, claimed that Bush underfunded education, and claimed the administration punatively retired Gen. Eric K. Shinseki. Bush's distortions outnumbered Kerry's though, as you'll see at that non-partisan site. (It's the one Cheney referred to in the VP debate.)
Bush did a fine job in this debate though, and was more the guy America has come to know. He was folksy. He was demonstrative. He was belligerent.
It’s the belligerent part that led many people to feel like Bush won, but I think that belligerence could hurt Bush in the long term.
I do believe what I said in my pre-debate analysis – that the town hall format is not the place to come across mean, because you’ll look like a schoolyard bully. Bush fell into some of that when he shouted at moderator Charlie Gibson. In the first half, I started to wonder whether Bush was coming a little unhinged.
It all rests on the final debate, however. I think the winner of that debate will be the one who manages to rhetorically defend his flank, but at the same time cast an inspirational vision for America. Throughout these debates, that’s what’s been missing. They’ve been so busy “staying on message” that they haven’t said much of anything new. Bush keeps pointing out how Kerry said “Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time,” and that he said he “voted for the $87 million before he voted against it.” Kerry keeps saying Bush “rushed to war without a plan to win the peace” and keeps saying, “I have a plan.”
Time for morning in America, guys. Cast a vision.
|W|P|109743816655905414|W|P|Who won the debate? It’s a toss-up: Bush won by not losing; Kerry won by keeping his cool. And yes, Bush owns interest in a timber company|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/08/2004 09:17:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|According to this morning's data at Electoral Vote Predictor 2004, if the election were held today, John Kerry would beat George Bush by 10 electoral votes.
This same site has showed Bush ahead for most of the presidential race, and bloggers around the Internet have referred to it often.
What does this mean? It means Kerry got quite a bounce from the first debate, and it's still anyone's race. If Kerry can surge that quickly, Bush could do the same thing next week. It also means tonight's debate on foreign and domestic policy could be crucial. Domestic policy is seen as a strong suit for Kerry -- but then, foreign policy was supposed to be a strong suit for Bush. Anything could happen.
Expect Bush to try portraying Kerry as a social liberal who wants to take your money through taxes. Expect Bush to use quasi-religious language about family values and a culture of life, saying Kerry shows no moral backbone. Bush probably will say that Kerry is making a lot of pandering promises about health care and new programs, but Republicans are delivering.
Expect Kerry to try portraying Bush as an idealogue who tries to force his own beliefs on the country, without regard to logic or science. And Kerry will likely focus on jobs and healthcare, saying the president was so busy rushing to a costly Iraq war over WMD that didn't exist, that he didn't adequately fund education and healthcare at home.
Who wins? I'm going to say Bush, because he has to. If Kerry manages to come across as likeable and presidential in this town hall format, he could develop a crushing momentum.
Where you come down I think depends on what you believe happened in the first debate. If Kerry delivered his best possible performance and Bush was off his game, Bush will come back swinging this time. Plus, it's the type of town hall format where Bush's folksy style will play well. To win, Bush needs to avoid getting mired in numbers and instead focus on connecting to people on an emotional level.
What does Kerry need to win? He needs to take a page from Cheney's book: make pointed appeals based on numbers, and avoid the temptation to go for the jugular on Bush. (Cheney went for the jugular on Edwards in the vice presidential debate, and it cost him quite a bit.) Mean attacks will play particularly poorly in a town hall format, where the aggressor will look like a schoolyard bully.
We'll see what happens ....
Also, for you conspiracy theorists out there: Have you heard the rumors that Bush was cheating by wearing a wire in the first debate?|W|P|109725225130726444|W|P|Site that predicts Electoral College vote for 2004 presidential race shows Kerry leading Bush; second debate is crucial|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/09/2004 03:58:00 PM|W|P| Unknown|W|P|You should look ahead at the projected outcome. Try here:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/fin/oct09p.html
Also check out a flip flop that no one else caught last night at www.ericragle.org.10/12/2004 08:59:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|You say you're neither right nor left, Bush nor Kerry... I beg to differ. You are definitely pro kerry... also, you speak of Bush maybe wearing a wire? What about equal time with video footage of Kerry slipping something out of his jacket and placing it on the podium. Notes? Cheat sheets? C'mon. Be real.10/12/2004 09:57:00 AM|W|P| Jon Fortt|W|P|Well, perception is reality. I can only say that I try to be as even-handed as possible. As for the Kerry/pocket deal, I would have blogged it if it hadn't been resolved so quickly. By the time I caught wind of it, both conservatives and liberals agreed that he was pulling out a pen. And Kerry's camp said as much.
Bush's camp didn't really address the issue much when mainstream press asked about it, which leaves it as a weird outstanding question. (I called it a conspiracy theory, so as not to add weight to it.) Do I think Bush wore a wire? No. I think his performance in the second debate is the best proof of that. But then, I said that in a later post.10/07/2004 09:49:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|A story in the New York Times looks at John Kerry's religion liability. About 75 percent of voters say they want a president with strong religious conviction, but in July, only 43 percent of Catholics even knew Kerry is Catholic.
In the key swing state of Florida, voters who say their most important concern is "moral issues" back Bush 87 percent to 6 percent (see infographic on right side of page).
Still, it's going to be really unattractive if Kerry all of a sudden gets religion less than a month before election day. Religious pandering is perhaps my least favorite kind. I say if you're going to be quiet on religion, be quiet on it. Don't just talk about God when it polls well.|W|P|109716776747526609|W|P|Kerry and religion: unlike Bush, people don't know where he stands -- Catholics don't even know he's Catholic|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/29/2004 08:28:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|bush didn't do a good job. i know he has a strong religion but the way he brought our country down and the way he is wasting billions of dollars on war instead of taking care of poor peole who die because they dont have enough money for food doesn't seem like something a cristian man should do. Bush spend bilions of dollars on the war and a lot of people died in the war not just american and he didn't even tell the exact reason why we are in war and why all these americans die everyday.10/29/2004 08:30:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|if you want to vote based on religion then pick the guy who will follow with their actions and bush didn't do a cristian job. kerry seems much better please look at all the issues and problems that happaned with bush and vote kerry10/29/2004 08:33:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|i know bush has a good heart and he is cristian and i respect that. i feel bad for him but i DONT think he should be eleceted president again i think we need a change. this is my future we are talking about this is our future. sorry bush..please people think before you vote think about our future10/06/2004 02:00:00 AM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|This debate was not what it seemed. When I had to turn it off at 7:30 PST just before the closing statements, I’ll admit, I thought Cheney wiped the floor with Edwards.
I was wrong.
Sure, Cheney seemed to know his stuff, for the most part. He named international figures, talked about past experience and the terror fight with aplomb, and generally looked comfortable up there. Edwards, by contrast, looked nervous.
Still, I daresay I was right last week when I outlined what would determine the winner and loser of this debate. Edwards had to look presidential; Cheney had to avoid direct confrontation with the skilled trial lawyer. Edwards didn't look that presidential, but Cheney got into too many arguments with him.
A closer look after the debate shows that Cheney and Edwards both got some facts wrong (CNN). Cheney in particular made a couple of colossal blunders:
Cheney Blunder # 1: Have we met? In the biggest zinger of the night, while criticizing Edwards’s Senate attendance record, Cheney said:
I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on stage tonight.
When is a zinger not a zinger? When it’s not true. Turns out Cheney had met Edwards at least twice before. Once, Cheney thanked Edwards for being present at a prayer breakfast. Another time, Edwards met Cheney when Edwards accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing in ceremony. Evidently Cheney swore her in using Edwards' Bible.
Fortunately for Edwards, he was smart (or slow) enough not to mention this during the debate – if he had, Cheney could have said, “Maybe I met you once or twice, but you weren’t doing serious Senate business,” or something like that. Instead, by mentioning it after, Edwards turns Cheney’s one big zinger of the night into a huge black eye.
Cheney Blunder # 2: Check your facts. When trying to deflect Halliburton criticism, Cheney said,
Well, the reason they keep mentioning Halliburton is because they're trying to throw up a smokescreen. They know the charges are false.
They know that if you go, for example, to factcheck.com, an independent Web site sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania, you can get the specific details with respect to Halliburton.
Oops. Factcheck.com points to a Web site by billionaire George Soros, and has a banner headline on it that says, “President Bush is endangering our safety, hurting our vital interests, and undermining American values.” I’m pretty sure Cheney meant to point us all to Factcheck.org.
Guess Cheney should have checked that out first.
Right after the debate, I’d have given the edge to Cheney. Oh who am I fooling, I thought he ran away with it. But considering Edwards’s likeability – and Cheney’s huge “Do I know you?” mistake – once the morning pundits get ahold of it, this will be remembered as a debate where Edwards got the better of Cheney.
|W|P|109705323346715400|W|P|Dick Cheney wins vice presidential debate on points, but John Edwards wins on style; and “Senator gone” was there after all|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/06/2004 06:03:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|the other reason Cheney's "zinger" about Edwards not being around is dishonest is because Cheney is notorious for refusing to meet with Democrats. In fact, the US Senate is so partisan right now that the Republicans meet on one day and the Dems on another. So that is why Professor Evil might not have seen The Mighty Moppet too much...really, I am surprised you thought he won, Jon...I thought he was just plain scary (and I am enough of a news junkie to know that he was lying about a lot of things, namely, "I never said there was a connection between Iraq and Al-Q"...uh, yes you did, on "Meet The Press," in fact, where you also...met John Edwards. I think the debate was a dead heat--and when you have to go up against Dick Cheney, the embodiment of all that is evil and corrupt and greedy and otherwise un-Christian in the world, a dead heat counts as a victory. The fact that John Edwards came out with his head still attached means he did a fantastic job.10/05/2004 06:00:00 PM|W|P|Jon Fortt|W|P|For those of you following the dustup over Planned Parenthood’s “I had an abortion” t-shirts (which I mentioned here and here), you’ll appreciate this: K Composite magazine in Kentucky has created a line of “I love abortion” baby gear.
Pro-Lifers are pissed.
To those pro-lifers I say this: Have you no appreciation for irony? You should have thought of the baby gear idea first.
As K Composite founder Scott Richter said in an interview with LifeNews.com, “I do not believe that anyone loves abortion.” He went on to point out that “babies, of all people, would never love abortion.” And he’s a liberal. Richter said the bibs were designed to poke fun at how far some people push the bounds of taste with contentious issues.
See? Get it? What’s more pro-life than a baby wearing an “I love abortion” t-shirt?
|W|P|109702075484429916|W|P|“I love abortion” baby bibs, other gear a fitting answer to “I had an abortion” t-shirts|W|P|jon.fortt@gmail.com10/12/2004 09:00:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|That's a sick point of view. Christian? Not.10/12/2004 09:53:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|I'm not saying I'd put one on MY baby (if I had one). I'm saying that the revulsion it inspires plays more to the pro-life argument.11/07/2004 10:17:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|That is the sickest thing I have ever heard of! You are obviously NOT a Christian. That kind of thing should be off the market. Maybe the kid who's wearing the bib should just go ahead and be killed too.....who knows maybe she'll be handicapped one day - wouldn't it be better if she were just killed now!! YOU ARE SICK!!11/07/2004 06:12:00 PM|W|P| Jon Fortt|W|P|You've misunderstood, once again. A lot of reactionary people on here have a knack for misunderstanding. Before you go accusing people of not being Christians, think. THINK.
Because the bib is so sick, see, it ends up helping the pro-life side of the argument. It ... oh, nevermind.12/07/2004 03:13:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|America can't fall much further! Why should one be surprised that this country murders its own babies and is proud of it? It's no surprise when lost people act like lost people.12/07/2004 03:21:00 PM|W|P| |W|P|Once again these pro-abortion items are trying to convince Americans that we have "rights". News flash....our "rights" were nailed to a cross when Jesus died for the sins of a sick world! Christians, don't be deceived or become complacent. Don't fall for the lie that life only begins at birth. God knew you before you were even conceived.12/08/2004 09:49:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|That's some serious irony! I hope it reaches those pro-chioce people. What kind of sick person would actually let people know that she had just killed her baby.1/22/2005 11:15:00 AM|W|P| |W|P|Ha ha! Funny as hell! I'm getting a t shirt that says "Abortion makes me smile" to piss off the fundy freaks who stand outside clinics, and harass people at there own homes a la Operation Rescue. And if you don't like than don't get one, duh!2/21/2005 07:31:00 PM|W|P|